Player Discussion Erik Karlsson Discussion Thread | Part IV | Foot Surgery Edition

[coladin]

Well, just from a psychological standpoint, having tissue from a dead donor messes with your head quite a bit (depending on the person).

It is actually quite common in ACL MCL repairs, a "harvested" tendon. There was a specific window to go that route, which may have given him a better recovery using the original tendons as well in the process. It would have to have been in the playoffs. The person who told me is quite connected and will ask him when I see him this week because I was in an arena and half listening. So, the issue is he waited until the end and had to go the synthetic route, and I think the confusion is he and his people were not "aware" that the harvested route would not have been available after the playoffs. Now, is this because the Sens management with held that info or a miscommunication?

 

[Micklebot]

It is actually quite common in ACL MCL repairs, a "harvested" tendon. There was a specific window to go that route, which may have given him a better recovery using the original tendons as well in the process. It would have to have been in the playoffs. The person who told me is quite connected and will ask him when I see him this week because I was in an arena and half listening. So, the issue is he waited until the end and had to go the synthetic route, and I think the confusion is he and his people were not "aware" that the harvested route would not have been available after the playoffs. Now, is this because the Sens management with held that info or a miscommunication?

This makes more sense, at first I was confused, because I'd assumed he'd have had the consult with the surgeon before the surgery, not the team doctor, but if it was a consult with the team doctor as to whether to keep playing, or go for surgery now, then it makes sense to have talked with a team guy and not a specialist.

Thanks for sharing,.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It is actually quite common in ACL MCL repairs, a "harvested" tendon. There was a specific window to go that route, which may have given him a better recovery using the original tendons as well in the process. It would have to have been in the playoffs. The person who told me is quite connected and will ask him when I see him this week because I was in an arena and half listening. So, the issue is he waited until the end and had to go the synthetic route, and I think the confusion is he and his people were not "aware" that the harvested route would not have been available after the playoffs. Now, is this because the Sens management with held that info or a miscommunication?

The plot thickens.

 

[DrEasy]

The plot thickens.

Is it because the plot is made of dead tendon?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Tendon is not tendin' to make things thicker..

 

[Micklebot]

Is it because the plot is made of dead tendon?

Nah, probably because they added some starch, like a cornstarch or flour. That's how I thicken my gravy if I'm too lazy to reduce it.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

It is actually quite common in ACL MCL repairs, a "harvested" tendon. There was a specific window to go that route, which may have given him a better recovery using the original tendons as well in the process. It would have to have been in the playoffs. The person who told me is quite connected and will ask him when I see him this week because I was in an arena and half listening. So, the issue is he waited until the end and had to go the synthetic route, and I think the confusion is he and his people were not "aware" that the harvested route would not have been available after the playoffs. Now, is this because the Sens management with held that info or a miscommunication?

Iirc, Karlsson does have a zombie tendon in his foot. There were tweets over the summer saying they used a cadaver tendon...unless those initial tweets over summer were wrong?

 

[pepty]

It is actually quite common in ACL MCL repairs, a "harvested" tendon. There was a specific window to go that route, which may have given him a better recovery using the original tendons as well in the process. It would have to have been in the playoffs. The person who told me is quite connected and will ask him when I see him this week because I was in an arena and half listening. So, the issue is he waited until the end and had to go the synthetic route, and I think the confusion is he and his people were not "aware" that the harvested route would not have been available after the playoffs. Now, is this because the Sens management with held that info or a miscommunication?

I had understood that he did get a cadaver tendon, according to Erik. from a 30 year old man.

 

[Micklebot]

I had understood that he did get a cadaver tendon, according to Erik. from a 30 year old man.

Everything I saw reported said artificial tendon.

Also, here are some of his quotes talking about it:

“It feels like I have a leather piece in my one ankle. You can’t really move it. It’s going to take some getting used to.”
“They took half of my ankle bone out and the part that is still there should be as normal as possible.”
“It’s a good sign that I’m finally skating, even though it’s a strange feeling and it feels a lot different.”
“I wouldn’t call it pain. I can’t say that it feels normal.”
“With the Achilles [injury in 2013], I had more trouble skating a straight line, not so much going from side to side, which is the issue with this one. Going straight forward and straight backwards is no problem. It’s more being on the edges and being a little bit unstable. So that’s something I’m going to have to figure out and learn how to deal with it...The feeling is probably always going to be there. I’m just going to have to give it time.”​

 

[pepty]

Everything I saw reported said artificial tendon.

Also, here are some of his quotes talking about it:

“It feels like I have a leather piece in my one ankle. You can’t really move it. It’s going to take some getting used to.”
“They took half of my ankle bone out and the part that is still there should be as normal as possible.”
“It’s a good sign that I’m finally skating, even though it’s a strange feeling and it feels a lot different.”
“I wouldn’t call it pain. I can’t say that it feels normal.”
“With the Achilles [injury in 2013], I had more trouble skating a straight line, not so much going from side to side, which is the issue with this one. Going straight forward and straight backwards is no problem. It’s more being on the edges and being a little bit unstable. So that’s something I’m going to have to figure out and learn how to deal with it...The feeling is probably always going to be there. I’m just going to have to give it time.”​

He was interviewed about it and the reporter asked him about having an artificial tendon when a cadaver tendon is usual in those circumstances. Erik said he just got used to calling it artificial but that it was not synthetic but was from a cadaver, a 30 year old man.

 

[Tundraman]

This is an oddball year for EK so it's hard to judge his future worth based on this year especially since the rest of the team (Stone excluded) has been playing like crap while he's not at his best. EK is usually a plus player or at least near even. I haven't checked exact numbers but it seems to me that the team's +/- is more often worse than his own. What's missing for him are the soft touch points that he usually gets to offset the bad plays but our top players aren't scoring so he doesn't get too many easy "A"'s.

Now it also seems to me he has more last guy goals scored against him than any other player but maybe that's because I'm watching him more and the camera usually pans to him for his post goal reaction. It just seems that this year he either shoots in someone 's laces or bobbles the puck at the worse of times and he pays the price every time. A few could be magnified because of his lack of takeoff speed to make up for some of his errors/flubs like he used to do. Some highlight goals against could be blamed directly on his tendons due to an obvious inability to make certain turns which I believe opposition teams have caught onto and are taking advantage of his situation. I think it was Bobby Ryan who made a sick move on EK in a practice early in the season but he admitted he knew EK couldn't turn properly a certain way. It seems he's improved since then but it obviously hasn't fully come back yet.

This is not a good base year to have to make a judgement call on EK. Too bad it's in an important pre-contract year. The Sens won't have an extra season to judge whether to tailor an offer to EK based on past performance or the present. Warts and all he's still our best D and needs to be re-signed but do risk/reward questions about his recovery affect his future value and will EK accept that argument in negotiations. Tough call

 

[Upgrayedd]

After last night's performance it's hard to get happy about the idea about extending this guy out, what a horrible predicament were in here....best case we extend him out and he fully recovers or we trade him for a massive package and his play never again reaches the level we all know...I do not like our chances for success here.

 

[UnHappyDude]

He was interviewed about it and the reporter asked him about having an artificial tendon when a cadaver tendon is usual in those circumstances. Erik said he just got used to calling it artificial but that it was not synthetic but was from a cadaver, a 30 year old man.

lol wtf, am i in the future?

 

[Karl Prime]

After last night's performance it's hard to get happy about the idea about extending this guy out, what a horrible predicament were in here....best case we extend him out and he fully recovers or we trade him for a massive package and his play never again reaches the level we all know...I do not like our chances for success here.

And worse case scenario, he gets traded and returns to elite status for the next four seasons, helping his new team win a Cup.

 

[Upgrayedd]

And worse case scenario, he gets traded and returns to elite status for the next four seasons, helping his new team win a Cup.

Pretty much although I would say absolute worse case is he refuses any trades and tests the FA market and signs and wins with his new team, The Leafs.

 

[Micklebot]

Pretty much although I would say absolute worse case is he refuses any trades and tests the FA market and signs and wins with his new team, The Leafs.

He could do a traveling road show, signing one year deals at league minimum and hit up all the Sens biggest rivals; one year with the leafs, one with the Habs, throw in a year with Detroit, perhaps the Pens and Boston. Depending on how many of those teams he propelled to a cup, that would probably sting more than just signing with the leafs.

 

[Tundraman]

Pretty much although I would say absolute worse case is he refuses any trades and tests the FA market and signs and wins with his new team, The Leafs.

Karlsson has a modified ntc so he can only block the 10 teams on his list

 

[Upgrayedd]

Karlsson has a modified ntc so he can only block the 10 teams on his list

He presents his 10 team list and then holds a press conference and lists the other 20 teams in the league and explains why he hates each city and specifically each fanbase, GM and owner citing numerous examples, then states he is for sure going to market and is looking for 14 mil per over 8 years.

 

[Tundraman]

He presents his 10 team list and then holds a press conference and lists the other 20 teams in the league and explains why he hates each city and specifically each fanbase, GM and owner citing numerous examples, then states he is for sure going to market and is looking for 14 mil per over 8 years.

Pretty extreme don't you think? Like that would ever happen. After alienating every team in the NHL what would be Karlsson's options after that? Maybe earning a practically non guaranteed contract flying bric-a-brac airlines in the KHL.

Not that its likely but if he was traded at the deadline, Karlsson's best option would be to accept the situation and give the best playoff run he could give to his new team. That team could try to re-sign him in the summer and if not they could flip him again or keep him for a 2nd playoff run and be happy with that. He would still control his destiny.

 

[Icelevel]

Was that a bow tie and loud heal boots before the game? Bye karl

 

[pepty]

Was that a bow tie and loud heal boots before the game? Bye karl

Not sure I follow. Do you object to bow ties or loud boots?

You wouldn't happen to be the fan that called into Team 1200 to say he hated Karlsson and his mustache and long hair?

 

[Icelevel]

Not sure I follow. Do you object to bow ties or loud boots?

You wouldn't happen to be the fan that called into Team 1200 to say he hated Karlsson and his mustache and long hair?

Never called in. A joke I make. But he did kind of look ridiculous. Especially for a hockey player.

 

[pepty]

Never called in. A joke I make. But he did kind of look ridiculous. Especially for a hockey player.

Ahh-the Don Cherry complaint. I remember when he thought Mike Fisher looked like he was about to steal hubcaps..

 

[DylanSensFan]

He was interviewed about it and the reporter asked him about having an artificial tendon when a cadaver tendon is usual in those circumstances. Erik said he just got used to calling it artificial but that it was not synthetic but was from a cadaver, a 30 year old man.

I wonder if they used stem cells on it. That would be the best way to normalize it with his body.

 

[herm1978]

So, nothing new on EK?