EHM 07 - Part 11: "Wants a new challenge"

[irunthepeg]

So my file is with the original DB but the realism patch applied (so weights were all set to 209 or whatever forwards go to). Hence Voracek being 17 in 2006/2007 went up to 218lbs. This is his first full year in the NHL. Previously he had 5G4A in 15 games in 2010/2011 and then no points in 9 games in 2011/2012. He starts off riding shotgun on my second line with James Neal and Josef Vasicek. Scott Hartnell (my first line RW) goes down for 3 months with a fractured shin. This sly mother****er puts up 12G4A in 6 games...

This guy started out all oranges and reds for technicals. I'm quite proud of what I've been able to get him to do. I'm realizing I don't have to use guys with all greens if they're good enough. Here's my number 1 defenseman, Ryan Suter (I also use the original DB Shea Weber, who's not anything special):

(Whoops, covered passing with my cursor, which is 16)

 

[irunthepeg]

Lost in the first round as defending champs but I'm happy. Paul Kariya had his first minor penalty in 2012/2013 since 2006/2007 when he had 4. He had 2 PIM this season. He went 5 seasons with 0 penalties. Crazy. Voracek, technically a rookie, wasn't eligible for the Calder but would have easily won it with 34G45A in 82 games. Suter won the Norris with 44 points.

I love this realism patch on the original DB. Only Heatley and Iginla have 101 points. 3 more in the 90s then only 8 in the 80s.

This is brilliant. It's like the game is trolling me. Not only is he an American, he's a RW with a great shot. Everyone knows Philip Kessel's defensive attributes aren't that good though He's even speedy! His PA is 170! Drafting him 23rd overall. He's ranked 16th.

 

[Michael Farkas]

That's always one thing that I wished would be tinkered with, if possible...players that have attributes that make more sense to correlate with each other.

You see a defenseman who has 15 anticipation but 3 positioning and good skating. So you're telling me, he can move, he knows where to go and just refuses to be there? I find that hard to believe haha...

There can be a few more player types in terms of regens that would make sense if you tied some attributes together more...positioning to anticipation, creativity and flair to stickhandling and deking, reflexes to glove/blocker, bravery to determination, etc.

 

[axepig]

That's always one thing that I wished would be tinkered with, if possible...players that have attributes that make more sense to correlate with each other.

You see a defenseman who has 15 anticipation but 3 positioning and good skating. So you're telling me, he can move, he knows where to go and just refuses to be there? I find that hard to believe haha...

There can be a few more player types in terms of regens that would make sense if you tied some attributes together more...positioning to anticipation, creativity and flair to stickhandling and deking, reflexes to glove/blocker, bravery to determination, etc.

I feel like positioning and anticipation is different, anticipation is more of a 1 on 1 battle while positioning is using the team system. So basically a guy with a lot of anticipation but with no positioning would be a great player but he would always be out of position often, he will intercept and steal the puck more often.

Same goes with flair (knowing where to be in front of the net and when to shoot) doesn't have anything to do with the skill. They don't have to be snipers or have good stickhandling.

Reflexes/glover/blocker is the one where I kinda agree with you, I guess the goalie tries to stop the puck however they can instead of using blocker and glove.. He probably stops the puck with his head like Lundqvist

 

[Michael Farkas]

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding anticipation being a 1-on-1 thing. Anticipation is hockey sense, decision making, reading the play, etc.

Similarly, I don't equate flair with net-front presence at all...flair is more associated with, for lack of a better term, flamboyance...at least, in terms of hockey. Jonathan Cheechoo scored but had no flair...Alexander Ovechkin scores and has 37 pieces of flair...

 

[axepig]

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding anticipation being a 1-on-1 thing. Anticipation is hockey sense, decision making, reading the play, etc.

Similarly, I don't equate flair with net-front presence at all...flair is more associated with, for lack of a better term, flamboyance...at least, in terms of hockey. Jonathan Cheechoo scored but had no flair...Alexander Ovechkin scores and has 37 pieces of flair...

Uh oh yeah it just seems our definition or flair, anticipation and scuh is different.. To me it makes sense why they're different

 

[irunthepeg]

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding anticipation being a 1-on-1 thing. Anticipation is hockey sense, decision making, reading the play, etc.

Similarly, I don't equate flair with net-front presence at all...flair is more associated with, for lack of a better term, flamboyance...at least, in terms of hockey. Jonathan Cheechoo scored but had no flair...Alexander Ovechkin scores and has 37 pieces of flair...

LOL! Well at least he can work at Chachkies once his hockey days are over.

That's always one thing that I wished would be tinkered with, if possible...players that have attributes that make more sense to correlate with each other.

You see a defenseman who has 15 anticipation but 3 positioning and good skating. So you're telling me, he can move, he knows where to go and just refuses to be there? I find that hard to believe haha...

There can be a few more player types in terms of regens that would make sense if you tied some attributes together more...positioning to anticipation, creativity and flair to stickhandling and deking, reflexes to glove/blocker, bravery to determination, etc.

I agree! There should be more correlation. And I hate how once a guy gets his offensive stats above a certain point he becomes a "power forward" for most players even if he has green checking, pokecheck, hitting etc. He's way more of a two-way forward if his shots are both 13-14 and his passing isn't anything special.

 

[axepig]

Oh boy I just found out that my other good winger is filed for arbitration now! I've got a lot of young wingers who thought they could take the spot... I'm not sure what to do now. Centers seems alright, lots of young guys. Btw I'm always full on roster with players who look very good and I always end up having to waiver or let walk 22-23 yrs old who look decent :\ I also keep my NHL roster similar for years, when do you decide it's time to let a player go?

 

[axepig]

Guys I found the new Oilers! http://i.imgur.com/7EW2ugi.png

Here's the reason: http://i.imgur.com/5vUDrgP.png

I've never touched the Blackhawks franchise and they're a lost cause. I don't know how it happened but I seriously think they're dead forever even with all of the players having 200PAs here's all of their top pick:
2036: #3 overall http://i.imgur.com/LPeKfp1.png http://i.imgur.com/S14wNbp.png
2037: #2 overall http://i.imgur.com/MfsZtXl.png http://i.imgur.com/FUH4L2v.png it's his final year on his ELC
2038: #3 overall http://i.imgur.com/TMkzKwV.png http://i.imgur.com/baFRB8O.png
2039: #1 overall (scary stuff) http://i.imgur.com/Dv8vLJS.png http://i.imgur.com/aJ7ts3G.png
They also have a lot of unsigned players http://i.imgur.com/utrQK9d.png

Here's the real Oilers: http://i.imgur.com/XlUIEz5.png not too great either...

(Oh by the way the Maple Leafs didn't go to a SCF yet in 2040 )


edit: I also tried to create a surplus of points to beat some of Gretzky records I filled the Canes with ****** players and ran the whole season with that http://i.imgur.com/nAMSJpX.png it was in 2037-2038 if you can't find it, the Art Ross winner had 106 points which was unusually low and the player was with the Habs so they played vs the Canes often. The Rocket winner had 59 goals which is lower than his usual 60 goals [This guy once got a 70 goal season and beat Ovechkin's IRL record, Ovie got a 74 goal in 2017-2018 for me] but he was with Nashville so he played only twice vs the Canes. I was truly surprised to see such low scores even with the very worst team of all time, I seriously hired a bunch of peewees and asked them to play against superstars!

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

That's a bug that occasionally happens. You can add a GM and take over the club, advance a day and retire. The team will snap back to life, hire personnel and start operating normally again.

 

[BraveCanadian]

That's always one thing that I wished would be tinkered with, if possible...players that have attributes that make more sense to correlate with each other.

You see a defenseman who has 15 anticipation but 3 positioning and good skating. So you're telling me, he can move, he knows where to go and just refuses to be there? I find that hard to believe haha...

There can be a few more player types in terms of regens that would make sense if you tied some attributes together more...positioning to anticipation, creativity and flair to stickhandling and deking, reflexes to glove/blocker, bravery to determination, etc.

Agree with this.. anticipation is a big part of positioning

 

[Sanderson]

The new version supposedly has a better connection between attributes, though I guess we will have to wait and see how that turns out over the long-run, the game is just out after all.

There used to be some odd attribute combinations indeed. Like a fast skater with great acceleration who had hardly any agility, or the mentioned combination of positioning and anticipation.

I'd definately agree that those two are connected, at least to an extend. Anticipation is more of an attribute that covers the whole ice, while positioning and getting open are the offensive and defensive variants. A player with great anticipation should definately be good at the other two, as he can see what is going on on the ice and anticipate what is going to happen. That - alongside vision, which is hidden - is probably the 'Gretzky-attribute', someone who is great at it knows what will happen and who will move where, even if the other players won't even know that themselves.

It doesn't entirely work the other way round, though a player who has great positioning (or getting open) probably should have at least solid anticipation. You can have good positioning just based on the knowledge of fundamentals, even without having the ability to read the play, so good positioning doesn't automatically lead to good anticipation, but I'd say generally you won't be entirely bad at it if you have good positioning.

I'd also agree that flair is all about flamboyance and wowing people. Ovechkin, Bure, Datsyuk, for example. It's all about speed and skill, getting past or through a bunch of opponents, being flashy. Brett Hull had little flair, he was all about getting open and rifling the puck into the net. A playmaker who doesn't wow with plenty of dekes and is more known for making all the little plays that matter instead of highlight-reel passes would be another example for someone who isn't flashy. The typical player who would stand in front of the net would also be the opposite of having flair, that's a player who does the dirty work, not someone who dazzles fans with his skill.

Players who are great in front of the net are covered by the deflection skill (plus maybe size and strength). Players who know how to move into open spots have great skill at 'getting open'.

 

[Michael Farkas]

The new version supposedly has a better connection between attributes, though I guess we will have to wait and see how that turns out over the long-run, the game is just out after all.

There used to be some odd attribute combinations indeed. Like a fast skater with great acceleration who had hardly any agility, or the mentioned combination of positioning and anticipation.

I'd definately agree that those two are connected, at least to an extend. Anticipation is more of an attribute that covers the whole ice, while positioning and getting open are the offensive and defensive variants. A player with great anticipation should definately be good at the other two, as he can see what is going on on the ice and anticipate what is going to happen. That - alongside vision, which is hidden - is probably the 'Gretzky-attribute', someone who is great at it knows what will happen and who will move where, even if the other players won't even know that themselves.

It doesn't entirely work the other way round, though a player who has great positioning (or getting open) probably should have at least solid anticipation. You can have good positioning just based on the knowledge of fundamentals, even without having the ability to read the play, so good positioning doesn't automatically lead to good anticipation, but I'd say generally you won't be entirely bad at it if you have good positioning.

I'd also agree that flair is all about flamboyance and wowing people. Ovechkin, Bure, Datsyuk, for example. It's all about speed and skill, getting past or through a bunch of opponents, being flashy. Brett Hull had little flair, he was all about getting open and rifling the puck into the net. A playmaker who doesn't wow with plenty of dekes and is more known for making all the little plays that matter instead of highlight-reel passes would be another example for someone who isn't flashy. The typical player who would stand in front of the net would also be the opposite of having flair, that's a player who does the dirty work, not someone who dazzles fans with his skill.

Players who are great in front of the net are covered by the deflection skill (plus maybe size and strength). Players who know how to move into open spots have great skill at 'getting open'.

This is correct.

 

[HamiltonOHL]

Once OHL players get drafted in OHL in ehm 07 whats a league that has calibrate type players.. I know like OHL rookie camp in 07 OHL teams are too powerful for a rookie camp what league or leagues are calibrate to take on a 16 yr old roster full of OHL rookies?

 

[HamiltonOHL]

in ehm 07 it allows me to save via txt the player stats but not the goalie stats am i doing something wrong?

 

[irunthepeg]

Once OHL players get drafted in OHL in ehm 07 whats a league that has calibrate type players.. I know like OHL rookie camp in 07 OHL teams are too powerful for a rookie camp what league or leagues are calibrate to take on a 16 yr old roster full of OHL rookies?

I generally just leave them unsigned after drafting them? Or put them down to my affiliate. Not sure if that's what you're asking.

I'm really getting the hang of this defense first team. My goalies are flourishing (usually my back-up puts up unruly numbers). Sebastian freaking Caron put up 0.940 SV% in like 40 games last year as my back-up and won the Vezina and Jennings. I traded him away so I could bring up my Hasek regen as back-up. Both him and Niittymaki are doing well.

Just over 2.00 GAA right now and the last few years have constantly been around 150 GA during the season. I looked at TSN to see what real life goals against are like and the best teams around just below 200. So I think I'm doing well.

In a transition period on my Nashville team too. After this year I'll have to let Michael Roszival go (who I don't want to but he's about to start declining), Paul Gaustad go. Kariya will be 40 but I can't let him go, he needs to retire with my team as Captain after winning the Cup. Got a few nice youngsters to come up and replace some of my aging core. I'll have to get rid of Nolan Yonkman soon too who has been a spectacular 3rd pairing PK specialist. He had a hat trick one season, best game ever

Right now my team is:

Alexander Picard - Evgeni Malkin - Jakub Voracek
James Neal - (regen 1) - Scott Hartnell
Paul Kariya - Artem Anisimov - Drew Stafford
(regen 2) - Paul Gaustad - (older player can't remember)

Suter - Weber
Emelin - Roszival
Dubinin - Yonkman

Niittymaki
(Hasek regen)

Regen 1 - young 21 year old C with great defensive stats, not amazing shooting but should be a good enough passer (I think he had like 2g23a in 30 games or something)
Regen 2 - I think he's a Finn, again great strength and checking/defensive stats not very fast or great offense
Older player - can't remember his name at work but he's fast with decent defensive/offensive stats

Hasek regen is the best I've ever seen him turn out attribute-wise. Nothing really lacking. Will be tough to top Niittymaki in the original DB but he should be good enough. I'm really glad I turned the original DB Suter and Weber into good players, as well as Voracek.

In 3-4 years I'm expecting my team to look like

Alexander Picard - Evgeni Malkin - Jakub Voracek
x - (regen 1) - x
James Neal - Artem Anisimov - x
(regen 2) - x - x

Suter - x
Emelin - Weber
Dubinin - x

(Hasek regen)
x

Lots of room for replacement. I've got a guy that looks similar to Hossa (he's not retired yet) as a RWer for 2nd or 1st line and then another LW that looks similar to James Neal in my game (great checking and pokecheck, hitting, decent enough offensively). Plus another center similar to my regen 1 C who will go to 3rd or 4th line next year.

Arty Anisimov is great because I used that weight equalizer thing so when he started at 18 he was 209 or whatever it is so he's 218 now so he kind of has the weight bug just because he's bigger than everyone so he always puts up 7.00 ratings.

 

[irunthepeg]

So in the playoffs Niittymaki wins me round 1. In round two he puts up a 7 and his SV% is down to 0.917% I think uh oh. I turn to the rookie goalie. The Hasek regen. And he does this:

I brought a Cup to Nashville in 2011-2012 and again in 2014-2015! Malkin put up 17g12a in 19 games. We swept the Caps in the final. In OT, Alexei Emelin with a bomb to win 3-2. Malkin came in the season of the first Cup and then he comes in and with Dora just kills it to bring home a second. Captain Paul Kariya with 2g6a in likely his last big run. I lost Michael Roszival for 4 months with UCL tear so he never played in the playoffs for me so I picked up Marc Staal at the trade deadline. Then Ryan Suter breaks his finger in game 1 and doesn't play again in the series! Emelin held it DOWN!

 

[HamiltonOHL]

I generally just leave them unsigned after drafting them? Or put them down to my affiliate. Not sure if that's what you're asking.

I'm really getting the hang of this defense first team. My goalies are flourishing (usually my back-up puts up unruly numbers). Sebastian freaking Caron put up 0.940 SV% in like 40 games last year as my back-up and won the Vezina and Jennings. I traded him away so I could bring up my Hasek regen as back-up. Both him and Niittymaki are doing well.

Just over 2.00 GAA right now and the last few years have constantly been around 150 GA during the season. I looked at TSN to see what real life goals against are like and the best teams around just below 200. So I think I'm doing well.

In a transition period on my Nashville team too. After this year I'll have to let Michael Roszival go (who I don't want to but he's about to start declining), Paul Gaustad go. Kariya will be 40 but I can't let him go, he needs to retire with my team as Captain after winning the Cup. Got a few nice youngsters to come up and replace some of my aging core. I'll have to get rid of Nolan Yonkman soon too who has been a spectacular 3rd pairing PK specialist. He had a hat trick one season, best game ever

Right now my team is:

Alexander Picard - Evgeni Malkin - Jakub Voracek
James Neal - (regen 1) - Scott Hartnell
Paul Kariya - Artem Anisimov - Drew Stafford
(regen 2) - Paul Gaustad - (older player can't remember)

Suter - Weber
Emelin - Roszival
Dubinin - Yonkman

Niittymaki
(Hasek regen)

Regen 1 - young 21 year old C with great defensive stats, not amazing shooting but should be a good enough passer (I think he had like 2g23a in 30 games or something)
Regen 2 - I think he's a Finn, again great strength and checking/defensive stats not very fast or great offense
Older player - can't remember his name at work but he's fast with decent defensive/offensive stats

Hasek regen is the best I've ever seen him turn out attribute-wise. Nothing really lacking. Will be tough to top Niittymaki in the original DB but he should be good enough. I'm really glad I turned the original DB Suter and Weber into good players, as well as Voracek.

In 3-4 years I'm expecting my team to look like

Alexander Picard - Evgeni Malkin - Jakub Voracek
x - (regen 1) - x
James Neal - Artem Anisimov - x
(regen 2) - x - x

Suter - x
Emelin - Weber
Dubinin - x

(Hasek regen)
x

Lots of room for replacement. I've got a guy that looks similar to Hossa (he's not retired yet) as a RWer for 2nd or 1st line and then another LW that looks similar to James Neal in my game (great checking and pokecheck, hitting, decent enough offensively). Plus another center similar to my regen 1 C who will go to 3rd or 4th line next year.

Arty Anisimov is great because I used that weight equalizer thing so when he started at 18 he was 209 or whatever it is so he's 218 now so he kind of has the weight bug just because he's bigger than everyone so he always puts up 7.00 ratings.

what i mean is just before the main camp usually August 25th to 31st i schedule games and then just dress all of my ohl rookies i just drafted so its kind of a rookie camp/pre-season just for the rookies

anyways my question is what would be a good league to schedule pre-season games against for my rookies in ohl... like ajhl, bchl, opjhl, cjhl, sjhl, mjhl type thing?

 

[Michael Farkas]

I would probably just look for a weak OHL team...but otherwise, it would be realistic to keep it local...go OPJHL (if you can) or USHL...or if you're way out in Sault Ste. Marie, maybe try a Minnesota High School haha...

 

[HamiltonOHL]

I would probably just look for a weak OHL team...but otherwise, it would be realistic to keep it local...go OPJHL (if you can) or USHL...or if you're way out in Sault Ste. Marie, maybe try a Minnesota High School haha...

thanks mike... yah i moved Belleville to Hamilton like as in IRL so i will most def keep that in mind

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

The Hasek regen.

I don't think that is. I believe that Hasek 5' 11" in the ODB. Roman Cechmanek is a 6' 3" Czech.

 

[irunthepeg]

I don't think that is. I believe that Hasek 5' 11" in the ODB. Roman Cechmanek is a 6' 3" Czech.

AH right! I always forget there's two Czech goalies who retire the same time with the high flair. You're probably right. His potential is only supposed to be around ~150 I think.

 

[irunthepeg]

Holy crap. Niittymaki retired at 35. He had a great season but only played one playoff game cause he had like a 0.845%. Wow. That caught me off guard. I guess I need a new back-up for Dora.

 

[axepig]

http://i.imgur.com/1kfqov2.jpg

Defense sure is easier in the new EHM. Bernier has 68 wins, 2.16 GAA .923 SV%
It's also way too easy to pick up good players, my lines are

JVR - Sam Reinhart( http://i.imgur.com/cHj02Ao.jpg ) - P Kane
Andreas Johnson ( http://i.imgur.com/Tbc0iYH.jpg ) - Frederik Gauthier ( http://i.imgur.com/04NUVqM.jpg ) - P Kessel

Korpikoski - Arcobello - Simmonds
Winnik - Hanzal - Condra

And my d-core is
Rielly - Ristolainen
Nate Schmidt - Gardiner
Percy - Cowen

Speed is the new size! Get speedy players they almost always do well meanwhile Shea Weber is playing like crap with his 10 speed and 10 accel

 

[irunthepeg]

I'm resurrecting this thread from the dead. I hadn't played in a few months but I started up a file with the Isles in the original unfaked DB (it has McDavid and Eichel in it I see). Wanted to take on a good challenge since Yashin leaves at the end of year one.

Still such a good game. I just am attached to the UI over the new one's UI, although I haven't played it in a few months either.

Also, axepig I knew your name was familiar when I was seeing posts all over Reddit on draft day