Do you think Marincin would have cracked the lineup next year?
Because if not, this was absolutely necessary. He was waiver fodder, and he would have been picked up anyways with no return.
I think we are severely overvaluing him right now. He was sat in games 6 and 7 in the AHL playoffs. Let that sink in.
Smart pickup by Toronto.
Oilers replaced him with a worse defender, Gryba.
It's like we're collecting bottom pairing guys.
MM had really tough zone starts and defensive assignments basically the entire time he played with the Oilers, and still did decently.
Oilers gonna Oilers though.
Terrible trade and it doesnt make a lick of sense. Marincin was obviously on his way out the door as of last season.
Another brilliant move orchestrated by MacT...who knows why he didnt like this player.
One thing is for sure Marinicn was trending just fine playing top 4 minutes back in 2013/14 when he played 44 NHL games.
After that the MacT and Eakins show got on him and his confidence was beaten up to the point where he was thrown on the trash heap.
MacT did almost the same thing to Petry. No wonder this defence is such a joke.
Now we have to sit around and watch MacT whisper his BS into Chiarellis ear.
I have a question...why is MacT still here?
Regression happens. Development seldom happens in a straight line especially when you have MacT and Eakins steering the ship.
Marincin wasnt the only player affected by the Eakins/MacT dynamic duo...let that reality sink in.
The bottom line is there was no reason for this to happen. They mismanaged Marincin only to have the waiver excuse bail them out.
2 years ago Marinicn was on the verge of being a top 4 dman which is exactly what he will be in Toronto.
This is another example of a mismanaged asset. The really unfortunate thing is that this team keep doing this with defencemen...little wonder the defence has been bad for so long now.
Do you think Marincin would have cracked the lineup next year?
Because if not, this was absolutely necessary. He was waiver fodder, and he would have been picked up anyways with no return.
I think we are severely overvaluing him right now. He was sat in games 6 and 7 in the AHL playoffs. Let that sink in.
So Marincin was obviously out but u still think it was a bad deal? Not sure what MacT or Petry have to do with this deal but Petry sucked with Oilers ...was completely overmatched most nights... He moved out east played sheltered minutes and revived himself... Schultz IMO if moved out east would be as good if not better than Petry..
Gryba for Marincin was a win for Oilers
Was not allowed to play for his country in the WC.
You think Marincin will be a top4 dman in Toronto? He took many nights off, and played with low intensity. Maybe a change of scenery will help him, but he was not reviving his career here. Development may seldom work in a straight line, but the amount he regressed was quite alarming. Also to note, he had his good year UNDER Eakins. He was surpassed by Klefbom, and management clearly thinks he was made expendable as well with the acquisition of Reinhart.
I guess we can part ways here.
Aerchon succinctly broke down the Marincin reality.
I was off in thinking there was a spot for him on the left side in TO. That aside my point was that I think Marincin has top 4 potential...no doubt in my mind based on what he did with the Oilers org.
He just needs the right opportunity and he is further along than Reinhart.
Marincin was considered a blue chip prospect and drafted 44th OA.
Climbed the ladder and was declared by Todd Nelson on two separate occasions to be too good for the AHL.
Worked his way into the top four of his Olympic team.
Helped Petry when He was struggling and the two of them made a impressive shut down pairing.
Last year was not quite as good as he was the year before but had extremely impressive games against some of the best teams/players in the league.
Has 80 something games under his belt most of which he was facing top pairing competition.
Was only -4 in forty some games this year. Very impressive on this team no matter how much you hate that stat.
Is only 23.
And if you watched or listened to the AHL games leading to his absence was playing well.
Had 8 shots on net in his second last game.
http://oilersnation.com/2015/6/27/oilers-trade-martin-marincin-then-acquire-eric-gryba
From the link above:
Speaking with scouts at the draft, Marincin's value around the league was much lower than it was amongst some in Edmonton. Pretty much every scout echoed my thoughts on him. He has NHL skill and smarts, but has shown a lack of competitive desire in games. Three scouts who watched AHL playoffs were disappointed he didn't dominate at the AHL level. They all said teams would still take a chance on him, because of his skill, but his trade value is low.
Then you don't trade him. Especially when we have a competent group of coaching coming in. We've seen what he can do when he's playing well, so why not try and recreate that under McLellan.
I don't get why Yakupov gets a pass under the Eakins effect but Marincin doesn't.
I don't get why Yakupov gets a pass under the Eakins effect but Marincin doesn't.
Well actually Marincin played his best hockey in Eakins' first year.
Our depth chart next year:
XXX - Fayne
Klefbom - Schultz
Ference - Gryba
Reinhart (I know I'm going to get a ton of flack for this)
Marincin was the odd main out with the acquisition of Reinhart, and they probably wanted some return, rather than losing him on waivers.
Because Yak has the potential to develop into a good trading asset.
MM is a defensive defenceman who was struggling on the boards, in the corners, and in front of the net.
Marincin was one of our better trading chips before Eakins went full ****** in his second season. I don't get this rationale whatsoever.
What exactly changed between seasons 1 and 2?
Slightly harder assignments and what not, but I imagine the constant haranguing by both idiot coach and idiot GM along with the unhealthy weight gain in the off-season (that Eakins in one of his earlier press conferences alluded to prescribing, yet MacT came out and put down Marincin without cause) didn't help.
He didn't look like the same player in his second season with the Oilers, with or without Petry. If you want to subscribe to the idea of, "nah, he just sucked all of a sudden," then go for it. I don't believe that crap though.
I get that Chiarelli doesn't like this type of player, ie. ones without snarl, but he was a useful guy on the back end and having a coach like McLellan who puts skill first would have had a field day developing Marincin. What a waste.
A "blue chip prospect". Now I've heard everything.
Nurse is a blue chip prospect. Marincin is just a prospect. Making the Olympics really doesn't say much when apart from Chara you probably couldn't name all of the other defenders on that Czech team without looking.
People don't seem to realize that perception around the NHL is different than how hometown fans see things. To us Marincin is a "top 4 NHL defender". To other, better teams around the league, he's probably a 6/7/8 guy. I watched the guy after Petry was traded and he just couldn't keep up, even under Nelson. People can say that Eakins ruined him, but didn't he play his best under Eakins while paired with Petry?
Because Yak has the potential to develop into a good trading asset.
MM is a defensive defenceman who was struggling on the boards, in the corners, and in front of the net.
Maybe they thought they could tear him down and build him back up or maybe that was their way of motivating the player.
Who knows. The result was a massive fail that cant fall just on the player.
Ultimately it ended up being nothing more than a serious mind **** for Marincin form those 2.
Quite honestly I am a little surprised at the excuses being made for MacT and Eakins in this case.
Must be unique to Marincin because I dont recall this happening for any other player.