Confirmed with Link: Duchene to OTT in three-team trade

[Gil Gunderson]

Well, a fully healthy Karlsson (just to add that extra 5%), an in-form Stone, and a healthy Brassard, and the Sens may have won the Cup.

And not having 30+ straight scoreless PP's against a depleted d-corps. That old thing.

Oh God it hurts!

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Well, a fully healthy Karlsson (just to add that extra 5%), an in-form Stone, and a healthy Brassard, and the Sens may have won the Cup.

Well the Bruins with like even 1/2 of their d corps and maybe we don't get by the first round.

 

[Karl Prime]

Well the Bruins with like even 1/2 of their d corps and maybe we don't get by the first round.

If they don't come back in Game 2 they probably don't make it out of the first. Same with winning Game 2 against the Rangers.

 

[BigRig4]

If they don't come back in Game 2 they probably don't make it out of the first. Same with winning Game 2 against the Rangers.

You could say that about pretty much any team in any series.

 

[Karl Prime]

You could say that about pretty much any team in any series.

Probably, but Game 2 vs the Bruins and Game 2 vs the Rangers were games that the Sens would probably only win 2/10 times.

 

[JD1]

it's bad enough that our run last year was questioned all over this site but this...hfsens....should be a place that it isn't.

 

[Karl Prime]

it's bad enough that our run last year was questioned all over this site but this...hfsens....should be a place that it isn't.

I'm not questioning the run, just pointing out how things would have been different had the team not come up big in some very trying circumstances.

 

[Agent Zub]

it's bad enough that our run last year was questioned all over this site but this...hfsens....should be a place that it isn't.

Our run was basically Karlsson willing the team to victory.

Aside from Karlsson and Ryan who stepped up? Pageau? Certainly not any of our other core players.

 

[Xspyrit]

Well the Bruins with like even 1/2 of their d corps and maybe we don't get by the first round.

Why do we always look at other teams injuries but don't credit our own injuries? Sens were far from healthy...

Karlsson and Brassard obviously, Ryan with an injured plagued season; MacArthur with 2 full years of concussions, Andy, Smith, Stone, Ceci, etc

Sens is a team that has been consistently hurt greatly by injuries over the last few years. Don't think you can look at anyone else and think "we're lucky"

it's bad enough that our run last year was questioned all over this site but this...hfsens....should be a place that it isn't.

Kind of sad when you think of it... This team doesn't have much going their way.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I'm not questioning the run, just pointing out how things would have been different had the team not come up big in some very trying circumstances.

Pretty much true for any team.

 

[JD1]

Kind of sad when you think of it... This team doesn't have much going their way.

ya it is....half the Leaf fans have a more positive opinion of this franchise than posters in here

 

[Micklebot]

Our run was basically Karlsson willing the team to victory.

Aside from Karlsson and Ryan who stepped up? Pageau? Certainly not any of our other core players.

Anderson was inconsistent, but did come up with some big games. Pyatt had a strong playoff considering his role.

All said though, I think Karlsson and Ryan consistently stepped up while the rest of the team seemed to alternate who made the big play when the team needed it.

 

[JD1]

Anderson was inconsistent, but did come up with some big games. Pyatt had a strong playoff considering his role.

All said though, I think Karlsson and Ryan consistently stepped up while the rest of the team seemed to alternate who made the big play when the team needed it.

which is pretty consistent with every good run a team goes on

 

[Micklebot]

which is pretty consistent with every good run a team goes on

Agreed. Karlsson was the driving force, others chipped in intermittently. To suggest Karlsson did it in spite of his team is hyperbole; two or three players stepped up their games (Karlsson, Ryan, Pageau), the rest pretty much played to expectations.

 

[Xspyrit]

Ryan had a Conny Smythe worthy performance IMO. I was absolutely fired up by how he played in these playoffs. I love hockey for these moments

Many players were heroes from time to time but Karlsson and Ryan were the two that really rose to the occasion. It's impossible to have 10 MVPs

 

[Burrowsaurus]

it's bad enough that our run last year was questioned all over this site but this...hfsens....should be a place that it isn't.

Everything should be questioned at all times. Except the general shape of planet earth

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Button just went off on the duchene trade.

 

[Karl Prime]

Button just went off on the duchene trade.

What'd he say?

 

[Tundraman]

IMO, as long as Duchene was available, Turris never had a chance to stay. The price of a 2 way Col/Ott lateral trade not involving Turris was too high for Ottawa and it wouldn't have fit the budget. A circumstantial case can also be made that the framework for this deal was in place before the preseason and that Dorion saying post trade that he didn't know that Turris would accept 6x6 is bogus.

 

[inthewings]

IMO, as long as Duchene was available, Turris never had a chance to stay. The price of a 2 way Col/Ott lateral trade not involving Turris was too high for Ottawa and it wouldn't have fit the budget. A circumstantial case can also be made that the framework for this deal was in place before the preseason and that Dorion saying post trade that he didn't know that Turris would accept 6x6 is bogus.

IMO Turris being unwilling to sign here for 6x6 or thereabouts doesn't reflect well on management. It's their job to create an environment where players want to be, and Turris agreeing to terms with Nashville while still a member of this team, but being unwilling to sign for those terms in the city he played in for 5 years, is embarrassing.

I think it would reflect better on the state of the org is management just decided he wasn't worth it.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

IMO, as long as Duchene was available, Turris never had a chance to stay. The price of a 2 way Col/Ott lateral trade not involving Turris was too high for Ottawa and it wouldn't have fit the budget. A circumstantial case can also be made that the framework for this deal was in place before the preseason and that Dorion saying post trade that he didn't know that Turris would accept 6x6 is bogus.

It's clear to anybody with basic critical thinking skills that Dorion was stalling contract talks in order to buy time to get a Duchene deal done.

That doesn't mean that Turris would have signed here for 6x6 without trade protection, we'll never know. But it wasn't a case where Dorion went out and acquired Duchene because he couldn't sign Turris, it was a case where Dorion didn't make an honest attempt to sign Turris because he wanted to go out and acquire Duchene.

 

[Tundraman]

IMO Turris being unwilling to sign here for 6x6 or thereabouts doesn't reflect well on management. It's their job to create an environment where players want to be, and Turris agreeing to terms with Nashville while still a member of this team, but being unwilling to sign for those terms in the city he played in for 5 years, is embarrassing.

I think it would reflect better on the state of the org is management just decided he wasn't worth it.

Building backwards using certain events and piecing those with known fact I doubt Turris ever had a chance to refuse or accept any offer so I wouldn't be too quick to put any of what happened on him. It's more likely that Dorion never intended to keep Turris. From the start, Turris was in Dorion's view the cheapest path to acquiring his target player.

 

[inthewings]

Building backwards using certain events and piecing those with known fact I doubt Turris ever had a chance to refuse or accept any offer so I wouldn't be too quick to put any of what happened on him. It's more likely that Dorion never intended to keep Turris. From the start, Turris was in Dorion's view the cheapest path to acquiring his target player.

This is my feeling as well. I have very serious doubts that he was given that offer.

 

[Tundraman]

It's clear to anybody with basic critical thinking skills that Dorion was stalling contract talks in order to buy time to get a Duchene deal done.

That doesn't mean that Turris would have signed here for 6x6 without trade protection, we'll never know. But it wasn't a case where Dorion went out and acquired Duchene because he couldn't sign Turris, it was a case where Dorion didn't make an honest attempt to sign Turris because he wanted to go out and acquire Duchene.

Seems your agreeing with me here on Dorion's focus but most pundits said the deal stalled a day or two before it happened. In my view of events that was a second stall, the original framework was in place since at least just before the pre-season and only didn't happen because Col and Nash couldn't agree on their part. I also believe that Dorion had to know that Turris was ready to accept a 6x6 deal from Nashville. There is no way Nashville could discuss assets with Col unless they knew that Turris would re-sign with them. Turris did not sit out 4 pre-season games for nothing he had to have been involved and a trade must have been close. Both he and Dorion knew what was happening and the only thing left was Sakic asking more than Nashville wanted to give up or the deal would have been done then. The 2nd stall just before the trade was probably caused by Sakic trying to milk a bit more out of Dorion and it was overcome when someone blinked. Possibly Nashville changed the mix, the Sens sweetened the pot a bit to satisfy Col or less likely Sakic finally caved a bit.

The only thing I might add is that Turris himself said 6x6 was never offered by the Sens. I know some people quote taxes and such but the fact he brought that up without prompt tells me he wasn't the holdup and would have taken it. Dorion was defensive when he was asked in a following interview why he never made the offer. He countered well they never offered it either as though somehow it was something out of the blue. Baloney! Dorion knew for weeks what Turris was going to get from Nashville yet as I said he had no interest in Turris at 6x6. Dorion's mind was set on Duchene and that was it.

 

[JD1]

IMO Turris being unwilling to sign here for 6x6 or thereabouts doesn't reflect well on management. It's their job to create an environment where players want to be, and Turris agreeing to terms with Nashville while still a member of this team, but being unwilling to sign for those terms in the city he played in for 5 years, is embarrassing.

I think it would reflect better on the state of the org is management just decided he wasn't worth it.

I think that's what mgmt did decide. pretty sure they didn't want to go north of 5. That's their right. Turris felt like he was worth 7 or 8 or so the story goes. Personally I think Turris and his agent overred the tea leaves and accepted the 6*6 deal after they realized they weren' getting 7 or 8 in ottawa or 7 in Nashville. That to me is the best explanation on the 2 day delay.