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Guaranteed Serge Savard would have payed the price to get Drouin. See Damphousee.
Well, Damphousse also had over 150 goals and over 400 pts at that point.
Granted, he was older, but still...
Guaranteed Serge Savard would have payed the price to get Drouin. See Damphousee.
1. who cares, this isn't politics, it's sports.
2. Bergevin is as bad as Gainey and you're right, he should be getting destroyed, but not for this.
3. Yeah, and they should both be gone for better candidates regardless of language.
4. We can see talent, but we also can see the fact that he's not a NHL player at this point.
Simmonds is a 3rd liner PP specialist. His P/60 at even strength since 12-13 is similar to Lars Eller's.
Autocorrect used to do this until I wrote Bergevin enough for it to recognize it as a legitimate nameHow do people get Bergevin and Bergeron mixed up? Is it an Apple phone thing?
Not really a guy we need right now. We're trying to win it this season and next. Now if they included Stamkos as a rental with him...
Problem is we need help RIGHT NOW. We're going for it now not two or three years from now. Our core is in it's prime under contract. Two years from now things blow upCount the 20 year old players in the NHL right now.
Simmonds is 27. Drouin is 20. Everything must be factored in when putting a price tag on each player.
The Playstation on "hard" trade difficulty has given me...
Tinordi + Hudon vs Drouin
I haven't seen Drouin so I can't comment on it being a Seguin situation. I'd say that Seguin was more proven numbers wise when he was dealt though.I couldn't disagree more. I think this would be a Seguin-eqsue situation. Drouin would be a HUGE boost to our top 6 now, and would be a fixture long term.
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gallagher
Drouin - Galchenyuk - XXXX
That looks outstanding. One of Fleischmann, Carr or Ghetto could take the XXXX spot.
Well, Damphousse also had over 150 goals and over 400 pts at that point.
Granted, he was older, but still...
Using goals totals as some sort of proof of anything beyond the fact you haven't made an opinion for yourself on the two players at hand do nothing but prove my point.
Simmonds is a 3rd liner PP specialist. His P/60 at even strength since 12-13 is similar to Lars Eller's.
The point of scouting/forming an opinion for yourself is to find out for yourself who's underrated and who's overrated. And while Simmonds would be a very nice piece to add, his actual talent level and on-ice play isn't anywhere close to what his stat line may suggest.
On the other hand, Drouin is a star in the making. His skill level is off the charts, and his mismanagement by Cooper in no way indicates whether or not he has the ability to contribute as of right now on any team's top six, because I absolutely do believe he has the ability as of right now, and the talent to become so much more.
We're looking at a Seguin/Turris situation here.
Count the 20 year old players in the NHL right now.
Drouin could be a star in Montreal like Kovalev was. Both are magicians with the puck both are prima donna with great talent.
Drouin could be a star or a bust but it's a gamble Bergevin should made.
Simmonds, JVR or Drouin witch one would you take for a package of 1st round pick+ Juulsen + De la Rose or Scherbak ?
but but but, he has a bad attitude. At least that's what someone who has something to lose said rather than this player that has no bearing on anything that happens.
It's the timing that worries me. We're trying to win a cup now. In two years our cap blows up. What are the Lightning going to want for this guy and can he help us now? All kinds of questions that we don't know the answer to. I'd rather trade prospects for an established vet right now and know what we're getting. Trading for a prospect now goes against what we should be doing.
I do appreciate that many consider him an elite talent though. Maybe he'd be great. Any other time I'd be all for it. But now? I don't think we should be going after prospects. If we do go for him, I'd want Stamkos at least as a rental to come along. THEN it makes a lot of sense.
1. who cares, this isn't politics, it's sports.
2. Bergevin is as bad as Gainey and you're right, he should be getting destroyed, but not for this.
3. Yeah, and they should both be gone for better candidates regardless of language.
4. We can see talent, but we also can see the fact that he's not a NHL player at this point.
Now that's an opinion right now but I'll roll with it: he can be a top 6 right away.It's the timing that worries me. We're trying to win a cup now. In two years our cap blows up. What are the Lightning going to want for this guy and can he help us now? All kinds of questions that we don't know the answer to. I'd rather trade prospects for an established vet right now and know what we're getting. Trading for a prospect now goes against what we should be doing.
I do appreciate that many consider him an elite talent though. Maybe he'd be great. Any other time I'd be all for it. But now? I don't think we should be going after prospects. If we do go for him, I'd want Stamkos at least as a rental to come along. THEN it makes a lot of sense.
I take JVR. I like Drouin a lot, but I'm a huge fan of JVR. He is basically Pacioretty-lite. He'd be a PERFECT fit for Galchenyuk.
Except Seguin has a 65 points season just before getting traded and if we can get Drouin for a 2nd a Pateryn, by all means do it.
Also, playing more than two minutes a game on the powerplay since coming into the league isn't exactly mismanagement. Nor is being put on a line with Steven Stamkos for the majority of your time up here.
Simmonds is a terrible player at ES ? Yeah, sure. He produces about 10 less points than Pacioretty does at ES. First liner ? No chances. 2nd liner ? Duh.
Count how many teams have the best goaltender in the league and are in win now mode, not in five years.
I'd tryI couldn't disagree more. I think this would be a Seguin-eqsue situation. Drouin would be a HUGE boost to our top 6 now, and would be a fixture long term.
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gallagher
Drouin - Galchenyuk - XXXX
That looks outstanding. One of Fleischmann, Carr or Ghetto could take the XXXX spot.
I haven't seen Drouin so I can't comment on it being a Seguin situation. I'd say that Seguin was more proven numbers wise when he was dealt though.
I'd try
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gallagher
Flash - Galchenyuk - Ghetto
DD - Drouin - Carr/DSP
DSP/Carr - Mitchell - Flynn/Weise
Ideally we can somehow get Drouin for futures like Juulsen+++ and ideally we also get JvR for Eller + futures and/or picks so we can bump Flash down 1 spot.
JVR is not really Pacioretty lite. He actually goes to the net and plays good along the board.
He would be a perfect fit for this team, can't think of a better fit in the league, actually. He's basically a Eller++
I'd try
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gallagher
Flash - Galchenyuk - Ghetto
DD - Drouin - Carr/DSP
DSP/Carr - Mitchell - Flynn/Weise
Ideally we can somehow get Drouin for futures like Juulsen+++ and ideally we also get JvR for Eller + futures and/or picks so we can bump Flash down 1 spot.