Proposal: Draisaitl for a cheaper 1 C with a + maybe

[Brewins]

Maybe something Krejci+Carlo from the Bruins for Draisaitl? (sorry if this has been discussed, I didn't go through all 20 pages of the thread)

B's don't have a ton of top end talent in the prospect pool at center, nobody that project to be a bonafide #1 at least. Edmonton gets a high end, young defenseman and a quality center to anchor the 2nd line behind McDavid, with proven chemistry with Lucic, as well, to keep them competitive right now. (though Krejci has a NMC so this post is largely a moot point)

I don't know if Edmonton is where DK would waive to go to.

There is some math at what he is worth and gives you, i think he would be a Drai/Nuge Hybrid. 60+ pts, good faceoffs, can run a pp, can pk well and had a history of playoff performance.

He will most certainly cost less than drai will and give time to find a replacement via the draft/trade to play second fiddle to mcd after DK is gone.

Drai will also almost certainly out produce DK and may be just as good defensively.

+Carlo, is a big plus, but worth it IMO for the bruins. Maybe a small + coming back via a 2nd or such.

I think there may be better options for EDM, but Chia loves familiarity.

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

How come?

RNH 6
McD 12.5
Drai 8+ (MINIMUM 8)

Thats a minimum os 26.5M$ tied up in C's. 29other GM know that the EDM Oilers will have a hard time managing around the cap. They won't give anything of significant value for RNH as they know the EDM Oilers will NEED to offload him. The other 29GM hold the bigger end of the stick here.

Same for Draisaitl. They won't get a cheaper 1C for him cause, well, why would the other GM do that kind of a deal then?

So bottom line, Cia doesn't hold the bigger end of the sticks, he'll need to offload RNH (and he'll probably get NOTHING close to what EDM fans think he'll fetch) or trade Draisaitl for a lesser 1C that won't cost 8M$+. The other 29GM know about that situation and they will take adavantage of this

For 1. Not all players have to play C every night. Drai and or RNH will play wing for much of the season. The feeling with Oilers media and fans is that this season RNH will get a lot of time on the wing.

Also, I highly doubt that all of the NHL GMs are as close minded as you are. They all want to win the cup. They will make a deal if it makes their team better. They don't care if it will "help" the Oilers as you put it. Especially eastern conference teams. Why would they care if they help the Oilers so long as they are also helping themselves. For you to say that you know for certain what all 30 other GMs are thinking is beyond ridiculous. You don't have a clue what any of them are thinking.

The biggest thing here though is that neither player is OTB. At this moment they can afford to have RNH and Drai. Maybe next summer is different but at this moment the Oilers have the capspace to keep everyone together and still add pieces in case of injuries or slumps.

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Oilwings]

Doubt Edmonton trades Drai but if they do Montreal would be interested. Galchenyuk, a 2018 1st would be heading the other way.

Along with what else?

I don't know if Edmonton is where DK would waive to go to.

There is some math at what he is worth and gives you, i think he would be a Drai/Nuge Hybrid. 60+ pts, good faceoffs, can run a pp, can pk well and had a history of playoff performance.

He will most certainly cost less than drai will and give time to find a replacement via the draft/trade to play second fiddle to mcd after DK is gone.

Drai will also almost certainly out produce DK and may be just as good defensively.

+Carlo, is a big plus, but worth it IMO for the bruins. Maybe a small + coming back via a 2nd or such.

I think there may be better options for EDM, but Chia loves familiarity.

Don't think PC will deal with Boston anytime in the near future. Remember on draft day, PC want Hamilton and GM Sweeny took the lesser deal from Calgary?

 

[McSuper]

Don't think PC will deal with Boston anytime in the near future. Remember on draft day, PC want Hamilton and GM Sweeny took the lesser deal from Calgary?

I was going to post the same thing . Boston basically burnt a bridge with that deal . If they handle it like professionals and moved on on good terms there would be no issues . Every coach and GM know the got a short shelf life . If you fire someone and wish them the best and thank them for their service I think both parties move on with no problem . Boston created this problem . Chia was willing to deal with them he made an offer that was slightly better then the Flames and the Bruin,s went all crazy with asking for Nurse on top . I want the Bruins to suffer long and hard ....Not their fans as it not their fault

 

[SB84]

Krejci + McAvoy

Turris + Chabot

Duchene + Makar

Granlund + Dumba

Just throwing out some ideas. I think EDM has to add on these

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

Krejci + McAvoy

Turris + Chabot

Duchene + Makar

Granlund + Dumba

Just throwing out some ideas. I think EDM has to add on these

Mark Fayne and the Oilers still say no.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Krejci + McAvoy

Turris + Chabot

Duchene + Makar

Granlund + Dumba

Just throwing out some ideas. I think EDM has to add on these

First trade Edmonton is saving, what, 250k? No.

Second trade Turris is a pending UFA. No.

Third trade sets Edmonton back two years at least. No.

Fourth trade is least objectionable to me but not trading Drai for 'fair' in-conference. No.

 

[yababy]

Krejci + McAvoy

Turris + Chabot

Duchene + Makar

Granlund + Dumba

Just throwing out some ideas. I think EDM has to add on these

No
No
No
And no

FLAMES fan post.
Would you trade Monahan for any one of those primary pieces? Didn't think so...and Draisaitl is far more valuable than Monny

 

[McSuper]

Krejci + McAvoy

Turris + Chabot

Duchene + Makar

Granlund + Dumba

Just throwing out some ideas. I think EDM has to add on these

I bet if this was for one of the TML young C they wouldn't make any of the deals posted .

Also why would Edmonton have to added to any if theses ?
1) No deal to be had with Boston
2) Up coming UFA whom already held out and magic beans . PASS
3) RNH whom had a down year because of playing a defensive role is worth nothing because of contract and you want us to add to get a lessor defensive C that put up less points . HELL NO
4) Dumba doesn't know how to spell defence . He a PP specialist but losing Draisaitl hurts out PP more then Dumba would make up . Granlund is a nice piece but not at the cost of a young top 10 scoring RW/C . After some thought pass

 

[ManofSteel55]

For 1. Not all players have to play C every night. Drai and or RNH will play wing for much of the season. The feeling with Oilers media and fans is that this season RNH will get a lot of time on the wing.

Also, I highly doubt that all of the NHL GMs are as close minded as you are. They all want to win the cup. They will make a deal if it makes their team better. They don't care if it will "help" the Oilers as you put it. Especially eastern conference teams. Why would they care if they help the Oilers so long as they are also helping themselves. For you to say that you know for certain what all 30 other GMs are thinking is beyond ridiculous. You don't have a clue what any of them are thinking.

The biggest thing here though is that neither player is OTB. At this moment they can afford to have RNH and Drai. Maybe next summer is different but at this moment the Oilers have the capspace to keep everyone together and still add pieces in case of injuries or slumps.

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Yeah, that guy's logic is really flawed. We are going to have cap issues, so we won't get full value for Draisaitl in trade. Did Chicago's cap issues force them to sell Kane or Toews for cheap? Of course not, ridiculous. And he thinks that GM's will try to hamstring Edmonton, but will do Montreal the favour of giving them the #1C they have been searching for for a decade for less than market value just because?

Ridiculous all around, that guy.

 

[Janks]

No
No
No
And no

FLAMES fan post.
Would you trade Monahan for any one of those primary pieces? Didn't think so...and Draisaitl is far more valuable than Monny

Looking at SB's avatar, I'm gonna say they are a Leafs fan, not Flames.

Regardless, I doubt any of those packages get either Monahan or Drai without situations changing for either team.

 

[SB84]

I bet if this was for one of the TML young C they wouldn't make any of the deals posted .

Also why would Edmonton have to added to any if theses ?
1) No deal to be had with Boston
2) Up coming UFA whom already held out and magic beans . PASS
3) RNH whom had a down year because of playing a defensive role is worth nothing because of contract and you want us to add to get a lessor defensive C that put up less points . HELL NO
4) Dumba doesn't know how to spell defence . He a PP specialist but losing Draisaitl hurts out PP more then Dumba would make up . Granlund is a nice piece but not at the cost of a young top 10 scoring RW/C . After some thought pass

Obviously an extension would have to be worked out with Turris before the trade. I don't think the Oil should trade Drai but if they did they'd never get back an equal player so I was trying to put in a decent 1C with that teams' top prospect. I understand why everyone is saying no but if you absolutely had to trade him I can't see fans being happy either way. Maybe the teams add an extra pick/prospect but from their side they are giving up a lot too as the D prospects all have the ability to come top pairing D, although obviously it's far from a guarantee. As for saying EDM adds, I just misjudged value I guess.

 

[Mersss]

Yeah, that guy's logic is really flawed. We are going to have cap issues, so we won't get full value for Draisaitl in trade. Did Chicago's cap issues force them to sell Kane or Toews for cheap? Of course not, ridiculous. And he thinks that GM's will try to hamstring Edmonton, but will do Montreal the favour of giving them the #1C they have been searching for for a decade for less than market value just because?

Ridiculous all around, that guy.

Not at all!

BUT, CHI had to GIVE Teravainen for free in order to get rid of 1 year of Bickell. Habs would gladly take RNH, but not at the expense of a blue chip prospect when they are holding the bigger end of the stick. A deal around Scherback + Shaw for exemple. EDM will have to ''Pay'' the other teams to take RNH out of their hands if they want to be able to keep their 1-2 punch.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Not at all!

BUT, CHI had to GIVE Teravainen for free in order to get rid of 1 year of Bickell. Habs would gladly take RNH, but not at the expense of a blue chip prospect when they are holding the bigger end of the stick. A deal around Scherback + Shaw for exemple. EDM will have to ''Pay'' the other teams to take RNH out of their hands if they want to be able to keep their 1-2 punch.

Bickell was absolute deadweight though. I think you're assuming that Edmonton will be / is desperate to move RNH for anything with a pulse and that is absolutely not the case.

Proven young top 6 centres are valuable. The Pens for example got a kings ransom for Jordan Staal, career high of 50 points:

Brandon Sutter coming off of 29 and 32 point seasons
8th overall
Brian Dumoulin, recently drafted 51st.

Now I'm not saying RNH = Staal, but they're not THAT far apart. IMO that's the template a team wanting to trade for RNH should be looking at - replacement young C maybe with lesser results/longer development curve, good pick, good prospect.

The Habs are not holding the bigger end of the stick. Every GM league wide knows they're desperate for help down the middle.

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

Not at all!

BUT, CHI had to GIVE Teravainen for free in order to get rid of 1 year of Bickell. Habs would gladly take RNH, but not at the expense of a blue chip prospect when they are holding the bigger end of the stick. A deal around Scherback + Shaw for exemple. EDM will have to ''Pay'' the other teams to take RNH out of their hands if they want to be able to keep their 1-2 punch.

Again I don't think that you get it.

They don't have to trade either player right now. They can afford both players for at least 1 more year. If they do need to trade RNH they will get offers from teams looking to improve their centre depth. Not just 1 team who can hold their feet to the fire. Like MTL in your scenario.

Also, if you can't see the major differences in the Bickel trade and a possible RNH trade, you haven't been paying attention. Bickel was 30 and hadn't scored over 30 points in 6 seasons. RNH is 24 and has 3 50 point seasons and is in the top 4 for his draft year in GP G A P. RNH is a Center, Bickell was a winger.
Young 2 way centers are more valuable than aging one dimensional wingers.

If RNH was on the block more than just 1 team would be interested so your theory about having a big stick is just ridiculous.

 

[Deen]

Bennett and Calgary's 1st in 2019 if you wanna cheap out Edmonton.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Bennett and Calgary's 1st if you wanna cheap out Edmonton.

For Draisaitl?

Try Monahan, Tkachuk, 1st, and more. I'd rather lose Drai to the KHL for nothing than see him play for the Flames.

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

Bennett and Calgary's 1st in 2019 if you wanna cheap out Edmonton.

You would literally have to add Tkachuk to that and the Oilers would still say no.

Drai >>>>>>>> Bennett

and the Oilers have zero use for a pick that might turn into a player that they can use in 5 years.

Counter offer. Goudreau for RNH and a 2nd in 2020

 

[McSuper]

Bennett and Calgary's 1st in 2019 if you wanna cheap out Edmonton.

I am an Oiler fan first I also like the Flames . That offer doesn't get you RNH let alone a guy that would be the Flames best forward .

Benson , Oilers first in 2019 for Hamilton . See I can post dumb trade values as well . I really don't think you were serious with the offer I think it more to get a pissing match started

 

[McSuper]

You would literally have to add Tkachuk to that and the Oilers would still say no.

Drai >>>>>>>> Bennett

and the Oilers have zero use for a pick that might turn into a player that they can use in 5 years.

Counter offer. Goudreau for RNH and a 2nd in 2020

Winner winner . I award you 5 crying Johnnies .

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

I am an Oiler fan first I also like the Flames . That offer doesn't get you RNH let alone a guy that would be the Flames best forward .

Benson , Oilers first in 2019 for Hamilton . See I can post dumb trade values as well . I really don't think you were serious with the offer I think it more to get a pissing match started

I thought I was the only one lol

Winner winner . I award you 5 crying Johnnies .

 

[ManofSteel55]

I am an Oiler fan first I also like the Flames.

I thought I was the only one lol

Me too. It's Flame fans I have an issue with sometimes.

 

[zar]

Maybe something Krejci+Carlo from the Bruins for Draisaitl? (sorry if this has been discussed, I didn't go through all 20 pages of the thread)

B's don't have a ton of top end talent in the prospect pool at center, nobody that project to be a bonafide #1 at least. Edmonton gets a high end, young defenseman and a quality center to anchor the 2nd line behind McDavid, with proven chemistry with Lucic, as well, to keep them competitive right now. (though Krejci has a NMC so this post is largely a moot point)

Krejci + Carlo is a fair offer.

It would be nice if DK was a couple years younger.

If I were forced to trade LD, this is a deal I would seriously consider.

 

[BeastoftheEast85]

What about something centered around Hischier?

Edmonton get 3 elc years plus when it comes time to extend I don't think he will be comparing himself to McDavid like Drai. Devils get a top center who played well with Hall.


Separately, I wouldn't be surprised if one of Edomontons rivals roll in with 9.8m x 5 offer sheet. Just below the threshold needed to give up 4 1st and also would take him to first year of ufa eligibility.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

What about something centered around Hischier?

Edmonton get 3 elc years plus when it comes time to extend I don't think he will be comparing himself to McDavid like Drai. Devils get a top center who played well with Hall.


Separately, I wouldn't be surprised if one of Edomontons rivals roll in with 9.8m x 5 offer sheet. Just below the threshold needed to give up 4 1st and also would take him to first year of ufa eligibility.

I would say no to Hischier. Edmontons window is open and trading for a mystery box - a great one, I get it - isn't a winning move.

As for offer sheets other teams have had almost three weeks to do it. If it was going to happen I think it would have already.