I can't see it costing that as they may not even have a protection slot for him.
Maybe Copp and a second and they don't lose him for nothing and can go 7-3-1 instead of 4 and 4.
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I can't see it costing that as they may not even have a protection slot for him.
Maybe Copp and a second and they don't lose him for nothing and can go 7-3-1 instead of 4 and 4.
Looking at it from a Seattle perspective Copp is probably the guy I want the most. But Dumba is probably the best RHD that I can possibly acquire and I'm not sure I'd move that for Copp. Unless they can sign Hamilton in that 48 hour window and make him their pick from Carolina. Or they swing Mcdonaugh in some sort of deal with Tampa I think they'd probably opt for keeping Dumba over Copp.
So then are we going 4 and 4 to protect Morrissey, Dumba, Pionk, DeMelo or do we let Seattle have DeMelo in that instance as we have our two top 4 RHD and stay 7-3.
You give them there pick of DeMelo, Stanley, Harkins and maybe offer a sweetener of some kind to get them to pick Harkins.
I think they definitely go with DeMelo in that situation. As them I'm not sure what the difference is to keep me away from DeMelo. I don't know if they will play hard ball or take it easy on the GMs.
I guess it depends on what other deals they have made and what other players they have acquired.
If we lose DeMelo then I think we can find a replacement in FA if the plan is the use him as a bottom pairing RD.
Yeah with Dumba off the table and if the Sabres deal away Risto and protect Miller. DeMelo is probably the best RHD on the table at that point, McDonaugh aside, as there will likely be some shenanigans with Tampa and Seattle where they get McDonaugh and Johnson++ and help Tampa out of cap hell.
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I dunno, the pool of available centres is as deep as a Frisbee (although I agree that they'd value Dumba over copp in a vacuum)
Yeah centers look really rough. Good chance Kerfoot is their #1 heading into their 1st season. Though they will be able to mask it a bit with likely the best winger depth in the league.
Still think they are potentially making a massive play for Eichel. Eichel for 2021 1st (2OA), 2022 first (unprotected) + future considerations where they trade some guys that Buffalo has hand picked from other teams.
Yeah if we go 7-3-1 route and DeMelo/Stanley are the odd men out on defence.
As Seattle, what's it worth to you to not take what is likely going to be your #2 RHD in DeMelo to not select him? Is moving up to the middle of the 1st enough?
If I'm Seattle I think I'd rather have DeMelo.
Maybe I'm offering too much with all the leverage, but it could still be a huge win for us...
Taking our number 7 or 8 D next season and turning that into a top pair RD on a team that is missing a RD in the top pair. How greedy do we need to be solving this problem?
Also, I'd rather keep Copp and a 2nd than Heinola if we have any chance at signing Copp
Could be true. I'm not sure the rest of the league values DeMelo the way we on HF do? But you may be right.
The pickings for RHD is very very slim. Miller, Dumba, Mcdonaugh, Subban and maybe DeMelo if he's on the board.
Remove Dumba from that convo. Risto is moved to NJ where they can protect him, Buffalo protects Miller now and it's McDonaugh, Subban and DeMelo. Seattle isn't going to touch that Subban contract. They might be looking at McDonaugh but there are so many more younger intriguing players from Tampa including a plethora of C's. DeMelo all the sudden looks like a surefire option for your #2RHD spot. And if you swing Mcdonaugh from Tampa in a deal then you have McDonaugh and DeMelo as your top 4 RHD.
Actually disregard that last bit about McDonaugh he's a LHD. So yeah that makes it even morel likely they want DeMelo.
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I wonder if any deal for Eichel also includes a big time contract dump in Skinner? If you were going to go full rebuild you would sure want that contract off the books.
I did one of those mock expansion draft things a couple nights ago and I didnt remember having the same issues with RD. But I havent been following stuff as much last couple years so I just used "quick protect". So I'll defer to you on this one.
If what you say is true, Seattle is going to be a player for some of these UFA RD this year, aren't they?
If what you say is true, Seattle is going to be a player for some of these UFA RD this year, aren't they?
Why wouldn't he want to go along with Eichel to a team who will likely be much more competitive than going through a full rebuild in Buffalo?
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Eichel has to cost more than a couple of 1st round picks +, even if one of them is second overall. If he were that cheap, I'd be looking at what we'd have to add to PLD to bring him here. Heinola and 1st?
LA would be a team I'd look at to beat that offer with a young centre close to contributing and a 1st.
It'll be interesting to see how the XD unfolds vs the last one. Clearly Vegas did something right. I wonder if Seattle will follow their lead
Yeah I said Buffalo would likely get their pick of players from other teams in the draft lotto. Seattle absolutely has to draft 20 contracts in 21/22 and 30 players. But they don't have to keep them all.
Maybe it turns out to be 2nd overall, 2022 unprotected 1st, and a bunch of players Seattle has drafted in the XD but they only drafted them because Buffalo wants them.
We aren't getting Jack and nor could we afford his cap hit and fill out our defense.
Optimal Roster for me next year that marries going for it with draft and develop:
We trade Copp and a pick to Minnesota for Dumba prior to the expansion draft.
We lose DeMelo to Seattle as they wont have much access to RD. We flip a mid pick to protect Stanley if need be
In FA we sign Oleksiak and Coleman as two big and physical players to fill a hole on the third line and second pairing LD
We integrate Perfetti on a soft minute scoring line if he is ready
Gus/Ves/Samberg break through in depth roles
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Optimal Roster for me next year that marries going for it with draft and develop:
We trade Copp and a pick to Minnesota for Dumba prior to the expansion draft.
We lose DeMelo to Seattle as they wont have much access to RD. We flip a mid pick to protect Stanley if need be
In FA we sign Oleksiak and Coleman as two big and physical players to fill a hole on the third line and second pairing LD
We integrate Perfetti on a soft minute scoring line if he is ready
Gus/Ves/Samberg break through in depth roles
| Line | Left Wing | Center | Right Wing | Total |
| 1 | Connor, Kyle | Scheifele, Mark | Ehlers, Nick | - |
| 7,142,857 | 6,125,000 | 6,000,000 | 19,267,857 | |
| - | ||||
| Perfetti, Cole | Pierre-Luc Dubois | Wheeler, Blake | - | |
| 1,658,333 | 5,000,000 | 8,250,000 | 14,908,333 | |
| - | ||||
| 3 | Coleman, Blake | Lowry, Adam | Appelton, Mason | - |
| 3,250,000.00 | 3,250,000 | 900,000 | 7,400,000 | |
| - | ||||
| Perrault, Mathieau | David Gustaffson | Vesalinen, Kristian | - | |
| 1,250,000 | 925,000.00 | 1,460,833 | 3,635,833 | |
| - | ||||
| Extras | Harkins, Jansen | - | ||
| 725,000 | 725,000 | |||
| Froward total | - | |||
| Defense | - | |||
| Pair | Left Defense | Right Defense | - | |
| 1 | Morrissey, Josh | Dumba, Matt | - | |
| 6,250,000 | 6,000,000 | 12,250,000 | ||
| - | ||||
| 2 | Oleksiak, Jamie | Pionk, Neal | - | |
| 3,000,000 | 6,250,000 | 9,250,000 | ||
| - | ||||
| 3 | Stanley, Logan | Samberg, Dylan | - | |
| 1,000,000 | 1,175,000 | 2,175,000 | ||
| - | ||||
| Extras | Bealieau, Nathen | Vet press box dmen | - | |
| 1,250,000 | 775,000 | 2,025,000 | ||
| Defense Total | - | |||
| - | ||||
| Goalies | Starter | Backup | - | |
| Hellebuyck, Connor | Brossoit, Laurent | - | ||
| 6,166,667 | 1,500,000 | 7,666,667 | ||
| Less ELC bonuses | ||||
| Buy out | ||||
| Grand Total | 79,303,690.00 | |||
| Estimated Cap Ceiling | 81,500,000.00 | |||
| Cap space remaining | 2,196,310 |
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I think that if Chevy wanted to go after eichel, a package around Schief or PLD might be the best the Sabres see if they don't want to go full scorched-earth
