Do the Leafs trade Marner this summer if they're out in Round 1?

[eviohh26]

This entirely depends on how they lose. If Marner is by far their best player, and puts up 14pts in 7 games, then I doubt he's on the chopping block. The opposite can be said if they get swept and he has 0pts and is a -7.

We'll see how it plays out.

You talking about the ghost from game one? I doubt he does anything. Just chips the puck forward to avoid getting hit. Can't win a battle along the boards to save his life. Guy is just not built for the playoffs.

 

[KevinRedkey]

We'll probably be stuck with him next year. But if doesn't do anything these playoffs I'd try to trade him this summer, if he blocks it I'd let him walk the following year unless he takes a significant discount.

The guy has a career 16 goal pace (per 82 games) in the playoffs, just not anywhere near good enough for what he's making.

Career RG pace:
Matthews: 54g, 95p
Marner: 28g, 91p
Tavares: 34g, 77p
Nylander: 30g, 72p

Career Playoff pace:
Matthews: 35g, 71pts
Marner: 16g, 76p
Tavares: 32g, 64p
Nylander: 28g, 66p

Difference:
Matthews: -19g, 24p
Marner: -12g, 15p
Tavares: -2g, 13p
Nylander: -2g, 6p

Matthews is even worse TBH.

 

[NVious]

Career RG pace:
Matthews: 54g, 95p
Marner: 28g, 91p
Tavares: 34g, 77p
Nylander: 30g, 72p

Career Playoff pace:
Matthews: 35g, 71pts
Marner: 16g, 76p
Tavares: 32g, 64p
Nylander: 28g, 66p

Difference:
Matthews: -19g, 24p
Marner: -12g, 15p
Tavares: -2g, 13p
Nylander: -2g, 6p

Matthews is even worse TBH.

This is what happens when you nickel and dime your superstars, while other teams give their stars real money, Toronto superstars suffer the poverty franchise. The reason for their poor performances is they can't focus on the game due to coupon clipping (wrist issues), picking up cans (back issues), squeegeeing and panhandling all day (jelly legs) with their minuscule contracts.

If you give them all a raise, I promise you they will do better

 

[Sniper99]

Tampa got swept before their 2 Cups.

If they blew it up they wouldn’t have 2 Cups. Super comparable.

Carolina nearly always loses to the same team the Leafs lose to. They just get to play them later.

Edmonton has made it to the third round beating 2 weak teams. They never beat a team that won the conference or a Cup or was even considered a contender in recent history.

You're calling LA weak? LOL you should really sit this one out.

 

[Divine]

You're calling LA weak? LOL you should really sit this one out.

LA has had less playoff success than the Leafs in the last 9 years (since Matthews/Marner/Nylander were even drafted). They won a total of 6 playoff games in the last 9 years. 5 of those wins came against Edmonton. When they faced SJ and Vegas they won 1 game and then got swept.

They average 0.6 playoff games won per season over the last 9 years.

If that isn't the definition of a weak team I don't know what is.

 

[Sniper99]

LA has had less playoff success than the Leafs in the last 9 years. They won a total of 6 playoff games in the last 9 years.

They average 0.6 playoff games won per season.

Jesus, you're not making us look good here. Especially after last night.

There really isnt such a thing as a weak team in the playoffs, Toronto should have beaten the "weak" Blue Jackets and shit the bed. Leafs had a "weak" Montreal team and they had them on life support down 3-1 in the series and that "weak" montreal team came back and our boys and the "core" A series win is a series win. Doesnt matter how "weak" the other team looks on paper. I cant believe a fellow leafs fan would be judging series wins when it took us 18 years to win a god damn series.

 

[Divine]

Jesus, you're not making us look good here. Especially after last night.

There really isnt such a thing as a weak team in the playoffs, Toronto should have beaten the "weak" Blue Jackets and shit the bed. Leafs had a "weak" Montreal team and they had them on life support down 3-1 in the series and that "weak" montreal team came back and our boys and the "core" A series win is a series win. Doesnt matter how "weak" the other team looks on paper. I cant believe a fellow leafs fan would be judging series wins when it took us 18 years to win a god damn series.

I agree the Leafs should have beat the Blue Jackets. They choked. It was a rare 5 game series. They Leafs were the 8/9th seed and Babcock was fired that year. They weren't a good team that season.

Montreal was not a weak team. They went to the finals and beat Vegas in 6 games after sweeping the Jets (who swept the Oilers). The Leafs beat Montreal (without Tavares) more times than the entire Western conference did combined.

 

[hurdemz]

Depending on the return, (top 4 rhd) leafs should absolutely consider it.

 

[Cancuks]

Nope, he gets extended this offseason 11.6 x 8.

 

[Geoist]

They didn’t get dominated in last years playoffs, and if you want to use 1 game sample size this season then that’s on you

Constantly making it no further than 1st or 2nd round in the playoffs is getting dominated, especially considering their salary cap.

 

[TheNumber4]

They can’t trade Marner. He’s the only one on the team that KNOWS they are a great team despite having none of the success that great teams have. And if he’s gone, who’s going to prevent scrambles in the brain? No one. He’s untradeable. Close thread.

 

[Kimota]

Should have been done quite a time ago. They get a new GM, same damn f***ing song.

 

[Mugzy97]

Constantly making it no further than 1st or 2nd round in the playoffs is getting dominated, especially considering their salary cap.

That's not true but you just keep sharing your awesome opinion

 

[nbwingsfan]

Starting to kind of view him in the Gaudreau territory (although he’s better).

Will play great when it doesn’t really matter, but you’re in trouble if you’re paying him to be your best orn2nd best player

Crazy idea but maybe get a reliable goalie if you want to win

Much easier said than done when you give Matthews/Marner/Nyoander anything they want and have an $11M 60pt player on the roster

Also last post season and last game were not the fault of Samsonov

 

[Sniper99]

Toronto is a poorly run franchise who are extremely stubborn with this type of stuff.

It's not that Marner is a bad player. He's just one of those players that isn't worth the cost to keep him. The league has many players like this. It's the same with Tavares there at this point in his career for them too. Both of these players should be gone from Toronto and they can then use the space to better round out their team. Although he should be, I doubt Marner will be gone but Tavares probably will be. So that'll be their "new direction" if/when they fail.

Tavares isnt goin anywhere till that contract his up. Even then I wouldnt be surprised if Treliving re-signs him for like 5-6 mill for a couple seasons. Hes not waiving his NTC either

 

[Breakers]

I am sooooooo looking forward to Jeff O’Neill absolutely raging at Marner today on the radio for just standing there stickhandling on the PP

 

[tfwnogf]

I agree the Leafs should have beat the Blue Jackets. They choked. It was a rare 5 game series. They Leafs were the 8/9th seed and Babcock was fired that year. They weren't a good team that season.

Montreal was not a weak team. They went to the finals and beat Vegas in 6 games after sweeping the Jets (who swept the Oilers). The Leafs beat Montreal (without Tavares) more times than the entire Western conference did combined.

So true, that Montreal team was a juggernaut, one of the greatest ever assembled. No shame in being up 3-1 and going on to lose the series.

 

[Sensin5]

Those people exist within every fanbase.

They do, but some teams have larger swaths of fans that are close to the opposite. Over the past number of years I would say the Sens fall in that category - the near hatred for previous ownership and management was palpable. Now it may have been because we were a little spoiled for about a decade where we were always in the mix (without getting a Cup) and then we fell off a cliff.

 

[squashmaple]

So true, that Montreal team was a juggernaut, one of the greatest ever assembled. No shame in being up 3-1 and going on to lose the series.

They also seem to conveniently forget every time this comes up that Toronto and Columbus had literally identical records going into that 2020 series and Toronto was just the higher seed because of ROW. There's no shame to losing to a similar flawed team. The Montreal series is the one they should point to as the true failure, and even that is largely because Tavares got hurt in the first game and Price was vintage Price.

 

[AvroArrow]

Career RG pace:
Matthews: 54g, 95p
Marner: 28g, 91p
Tavares: 34g, 77p
Nylander: 30g, 72p

Career Playoff pace:
Matthews: 35g, 71pts
Marner: 16g, 76p
Tavares: 32g, 64p
Nylander: 28g, 66p

Difference:
Matthews: -19g, 24p
Marner: -12g, 15p
Tavares: -2g, 13p
Nylander: -2g, 6p

Matthews is even worse TBH.

He played 2 playoffs so far with a destroyed wrist, context matters.

 

[I am Canadian]

He has a NMC.

I think they will run it back again. They will let Brodie, Samsonov, Bertuzzi walk and re-invest in defenders. They have young wingers like Robertson, Knies, Cowan, Grebyonkin that can fill in these gaps on ELC contracts.

Next year is a wash imo, and the year after leafs have 22M coming off the cap in Marner and Tavares and the team will look much different.

 

[NYVanfan]

Power plus a good pick?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Well he has a full NMC so

Unless they are ballsy enough to sit him until he waves

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Even if the Leafs wanted to shake things up, you don't trade Marner just to trade Marner.

First the right deal has to be available, and that has nothing to do with the Leafs lack of playoff success. NMC makes it tougher as well.

So I'm going to say odds are no. He's only got 1 year left.

 

[Strangle]

I think they should at least try to

Will be next to impossible to get good value at that cap hit.

I’d let him straight u pwalk

The cap hit is the value