OT: Daryl Katz spends $120 Million on new LA pad

Drivesaitl

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Why do people think hours of sunshine mean anything..... How about you post the monthly break down of daylight hours

On an annual basis not many places get many hours of sun as Edmonton. It is very much a case of you would miss it if you were elsewhere.

Now if one wants to even consider hours that are sunny where its OK to be outside Edmonton rocks compared to places like Phoenix or equatorial or hot regions where its literally too hot to even go outside during the day. Next how many cities are sunny and not smoggy?

Edmonton has the best summers of any city in the Western Hemisphere due to its latitude and prairie region and beautiful winters and changing seasons. Only thing I would want is a bit more of a growing season but I built a 3 seasons greenhouse to take care of that.

I think Edmonton is one of those places where we don't know what we have.
 

Barrsy

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You were one of those with pitchforks yelling..."Northland's is just fine ! Edmonton doesn't need a new arena. Katz is evil for revitalizing our downtown !" Citizen. Weren't you ....
No
You were one of those guys who with pitchforks out yelling"Give Katz whatever he wants. And fill up his Hirise while you're at it".
Weren't you...
 

bucks_oil

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Govt subsidizing business is capitalism? Lol.
Nope, it's just business. It happens everywhere and governments just need to decide if they want to pay to play.

In this case, your gov't made their choice in the context of a highly public debate. Be thankful of that. Most of the time these incentives happen in a much quieter way and you have nothing to say about it. Don't like it? Be mad at your politicians who made that investment decision (subsidies in exchange for future tax revenue).

Katz doesn't owe you ****. (but nevertheless it is nice that he actually is philanthropic AS WELL as investing in your vs some other downtown core)
 
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McFlash97

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You were one of those guys who with pitchforks out yelling"Give Katz whatever he wants. And fill up his Hirise while you're at it".
Weren't you...


Its spelled Highrise. Also He** Yes. I was. Anything else ? give the man what he wants. Let him take our city out of the dumps.

Also speaks volumes, you registered in May 2017, and the only time you decide to post or reply is when there is a Darryl Katz thread. Lol.


we see you Conny.....o_O
 

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I'm new to HFoil this season. Has there always been this much whining and complaining? Like wtf is this thread?

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bucks_oil

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I'm f**** happy we have a billionaire owner who's putting himself out there, who is from Edmonton, owns the Oilers. Gives the city and team a little more credibility as a premier franchise as opposed to a small town honky tonk pitchfork carrying Outpost in the middle of nowhere.

So true... it wasn't that long ago we were all hoping among hope that we could keep this team in Edmonton. The reality then and the reality now is that buying a ticket here or there (or even a season's ticket) has a small impact in the broader business. Kudos to Katz for re-envisioning how he'd make some money for he (and his co-investors, including the city) in a broader business initiative that leverages the Oilers good name. Its the type of progressive public-private partnership that Canada needs more of.
 
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On an annual basis not many places get many hours of sun as Edmonton. It is very much a case of you would miss it if you were elsewhere.

Now if one wants to even consider hours that are sunny where its OK to be outside Edmonton rocks compared to places like Phoenix or equatorial or hot regions where its literally too hot to even go outside during the day. Next how many cities are sunny and not smoggy?

Edmonton has the best summers of any city in the Western Hemisphere due to its latitude and prairie region and beautiful winters and changing seasons. Only thing I would want is a bit more of a growing season but I built a 3 seasons greenhouse to take care of that.

I think Edmonton is one of those places where we don't know what we have.
The fact that in the summer the sun can rise at 6am and set at 11pm some nights is wonderful. Every has a chance to enjoy the sunshine.
The winter though...the lack of sun can get kind of depressing.
 

ThePhoenixx

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The fact that in the summer the sun can rise at 6am and set at 11pm some nights is wonderful. Every has a chance to enjoy the sunshine.
The winter though...the lack of sun can get kind of depressing.

The days are shorter in the winter but it is rarely cloudy unless it is snowing. Edmonton has an amazing amount of sunshine days in a year and the area lends it itself to blue, pollution free skies.
 
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Nope, it's just business. It happens everywhere and governments just need to decide if they want to pay to play.

In this case, your gov't made their choice in the context of a highly public debate. Be thankful of that. Most of the time these incentives happen in a much quieter way and you have nothing to say about it. Don't like it? Be mad at your politicians who made that investment decision (subsidies in exchange for future tax revenue).

Katz doesn't owe you ****. (but nevertheless it is nice that he actually is philanthropic AS WELL as investing in your vs some other downtown core)
Capitalism is supply and demand, market economics, what it is not is govt handouts and/or regulations/interference etc.

The fact this needs to be explained to those "pro business" types is both sad and ironic.

I don't live in Edmonton anymore, it is a great town with wonderful people. Govt rarely represents the average citizen, neither of us should be or likely are naive enough to believe that. That is, in fact, how "business" works.

I don't necessarily have an issue with that, what I do have an issue with is the hypocrisy of calling govt subsidies "capitalism". That gets five Nelsons. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
 

oilers'72

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Katz is in the entertainment business now, so it would make sense to have a place down there. Invite the "beautiful" people to a posh condo and send some business this way. Not just for Rogers Place but for maybe doing some TV and movies here. Take away some of the business from Calgary.
 

Drivesaitl

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I'm new to HFoil this season. Has there always been this much whining and complaining? Like wtf is this thread?

Well, one could say this post is whining. Go to any of the boards and fans are hyper critical. I've been on SC team winning boards just perusing posts and its all about "the sky is falling" Go on the Blues board, a team that was in first place in the conference at the time all you saw there is fans bitching about the teams play.

In context this board is actually talking about a club that's been most bad for a dozen years. The Blues made the playoffs for something like 40 years in a row.

Also we've had some of the worst Owners here. Pocklington selling Gretzky and trading the other superstars, the bugger getting 15M for Gretzky, Cal Nichols lambasting Chris Pronger for "not wearing the boots in his family, the inference being he should just tell Mrs Pronger its his way or the highway) then on to Katz who is a fan of the 80's version of this club, and not this one. He's basically an absentee owner much of the time that when he is in town its primarily just the Arena District business. As long as that's winning all is good. Team on the ice he doesn't seem to care about.

So context is everything.
 

PBandJ

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Nothing says "I love Edmonton" like living in Vancouver and LA for 11 months out of 12 after pulling one of the greatest swindles ever pulled.
 

GodPucker

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Nothing says "I love Edmonton" like living in Vancouver and LA for 11 months out of 12 after pulling one of the greatest swindles ever pulled.
Yeah, gotta hand it to him. Very astute and smart business man. Props to him. Nobody put a gun to the citys head.

Long live Katz!
 

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Nothing says "I love Edmonton" like living in Vancouver and LA for 11 months out of 12 after pulling one of the greatest swindles ever pulled.


"I don't travel to escape life. I travel so life doesn't escape me"

There is a lot to in this world and I plan to see as much as I can before our alien overlords return and blow the place up
 

bucks_oil

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Capitalism is supply and demand, market economics, what it is not is govt handouts and/or regulations/interference etc.

That's right. That is pure-play capitalism. Can you point to an economy that is based on it? I can't.

The fact this needs to be explained to those "pro business" types is both sad and ironic.

Maybe some of the "pro-business" types you feel you are "explaining things" to are actually living in the here-and-now, rather than this idealistic text-book you are quoting from?

I don't live in Edmonton anymore, it is a great town with wonderful people. Govt rarely represents the average citizen, neither of us should be or likely are naive enough to believe that. That is, in fact, how "business" works.

I don't necessarily have an issue with that, what I do have an issue with is the hypocrisy of calling govt subsidies "capitalism". That gets five Nelsons. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

I think you'll have to re-read my post. When you do, please note I didn't say it was CAPITALISM. I said it was BUSINESS. One is an ideology and the other is an assessment of the state of affairs.

Like it or lump it, right now governments all over the world are clamoring for business. I know, because in my job I field calls from City of X, or State of Y, or Country of Z's economic development office asking whether I would relocate my company to their jurisdiction... to their tax-base... to increase the jobs in their region. Can I get them a meeting with my CEO.

I dodge these calls and don't bother returning them... it's a waste of their time and mine mostly. There are numerous reasons why my business is where it is and most business aren't looking to up and move. Nevertheless, these economic development offices exist for a reason... and it isn't to line MY pocket. What do YOU think their objective is?

As Amazon and other examples illustrate, sometimes there is a deal to be done. I give kudos to the analysts in Edmonton's economic development office, who obviously had a fish and landed it... in a deal that, from the outside... I don't live in Edmonton either... looks like it can be a win-win.

That's business. You see socialists have their motivations too. Two can play, etc.

You can argue what the true motives of the City of Edmonton were... and one always should look at motivations... I can only give you my experience, but the typical economic development office bureaucrat is not out to line my pockets or to directly screw you. They want to maximize jobs and tax-base and that's what gets them cache with their boss, a raise, a year-end bonus and maybe someday a corner office, a shot a public office or what have you.
 
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doulos

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I'm new to HFoil this season. Has there always been this much whining and complaining? Like wtf is this thread?

It's worse right now because the team is losing and a few miserable banned people are back under new names dragging shit stains across every thread they can.

Last year was actually quite nice. Winning and positive attitudes really makes a huge difference to a community like this. Hopefully we can get back to that sooner rather than later.
 

McFlash97

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Nothing says "I love Edmonton" like living in Vancouver and LA for 11 months out of 12 after pulling one of the greatest swindles ever pulled.


I mean if you had 2.9 billion in the bank, Would you call Horse Hill your home ? lol. cmon man. 9 months of the year when its freezing cold in Edmonton, im out in L.A or Van City. That's not the point. Point is he's helping Edmonton become a more bearable place to call home for the upcoming generation. If Edmonton continues its upward trajectory, perhaps Katz can up his stay time in Edmonton to 2 months ? small steps my friend..small steps.
 

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It's worse right now because the team is losing and a few miserable banned people are back under new names dragging **** stains across every thread they can.

Last year was actually quite nice. Winning and positive attitudes really makes a huge difference to a community like this. Hopefully we can get back to that sooner rather than later.
Won 3 of 4
or
4 0f 6

Yet it's like doomsday
 
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