Pretty simple question.
Do you go long term on the player? Likely at a deal somewhere between 4-5M.
Or do you bridge him hoping you can save enough space to hopefully squeeze in one more good player over the next couple years while he's on a bridge deal and deal with the potential repercussions in 2-3 years?
He's been a tough player for me to get a read on. I severely underrated him going into this season. As a whole his season was very good. Played a lot of minutes most of it very solid defensive hockey, and had pretty dang strong offensive production considering his usage (tied with Parayko at 34th for d-men at ES). Even with that production though, by my eye he's still pretty ineffective from the blue line in when it comes to offense. That is likely going to be the biggest factor in whether or not he can take yet another step forward. Considering how much he improved this season, I wouldn't bet against him.
There are still times where he gets a bit lost in his defensive end, but he cut back on those mistakes big time this year. As he gets more experience I imagine we'll see them even less frequently.
What to do, what to do.
Darnell Nurse isn't interested in a long-term deal with the Edmonton Oilers
“They’ve sent us a proposal and we’ll see where that goes,” said Thun. “I don’t see with their cap space being what it is that they can entice us with much term.”
“If they’ve got $5 million in cap space (now), it’s not going to be a long-term deal,” said Thun.
Not sure what to make of that last statement by the agent. Are they looking for more than 5? Are they looking for less, but think the team wants a mil of buffer?
I believe he already is a 2nd pair shutdown guy. Sign at 4.167M for as long as possible with a promise to renegotiate if he reaches 15 goals and first pairing. I see him as long term 2nd pair with LarssonI'm ok with a bridge for Nurse.
A couple years to see if he can really be a 2D. The totality of last season had him trending to be a second pairing guy.
Darnell Nurse isn't interested in a long-term deal with the Edmonton Oilers
“They’ve sent us a proposal and we’ll see where that goes,” said Thun. “I don’t see with their cap space being what it is that they can entice us with much term.”
“If they’ve got $5 million in cap space (now), it’s not going to be a long-term deal,” said Thun.
Not sure what to make of that last statement by the agent. Are they looking for more than 5? Are they looking for less, but think the team wants a mil of buffer?
rofl the agent even mentions Chia's strange Gryba buyout. WTG Chia, news of your crazy cap management has grown far and wide.
If your Nurse and you seen Mcdavid get 12.5 and Draisaitl get 8.5M. Why the hell do you sign for anything less then 4M?
If your Nurse and you seen Mcdavid get 12.5 and Draisaitl get 8.5M. Why the hell do you sign for anything less then 4M?
Why does anyone sign for less than anything because someone else got X amount?
Nurse can't compare himself to McDavid or Drai. Drai got to ride a wave after he scored 16 points in 13 games. McDavid is the best player in the NHL. Nurse had a good half season and tailed off and is comparable to lots of ~3-4M players in the league in their RFA years.
oh c'mon. The closest comparable is Klefbom, who Chia signed at a reasonable deal. With that comparison, Nurse has proven a bit more and should be signed long term at around 5 million AAV. That's a bump from Klefbom based on cap growth as well as him being more proven at the time of signing.This is what happens when your GM overpays all the time. Nurse's agent is looking to bend Chia over.
Agents know a sucker when they see one. He's looking for 5+ long term.
I believe he already is a 2nd pair shutdown guy. Sign at 4.167M for as long as possible with a promise to renegotiate if he reaches 15 goals and first pairing. I see him as long term 2nd pair with Larsson
oh c'mon. The closest comparable is Klefbom, who Chia signed at a reasonable deal. With that comparison, Nurse has proven a bit more and should be signed long term at around 5 million AAV. That's a bump from Klefbom based on cap growth as well as him being more proven at the time of signing.
Chia gave overpayments to UFAs who likely had other offers, and at that point it's more like a question of whether he should have waded in the free agent pool at all, not about him overpaying for them exactly. Even there though, he's also had very reasonable signings such as Brodziak and Reider, as well as the deal he re-signed Talbot to.
Nurse's agent will have his comparables, and Chia will have his comparables. Chia likely knew that Nurse's long term deal would start with a 5, so spent up his cap to try and chisel him. That's why this is taking a long time, and that's a good thing. He's trying to bring Nurse's number down as much as he can
oh c'mon. The closest comparable is Klefbom, who Chia signed at a reasonable deal. With that comparison, Nurse has proven a bit more and should be signed long term at around 5 million AAV. That's a bump from Klefbom based on cap growth as well as him being more proven at the time of signing.
Chia gave overpayments to UFAs who likely had other offers, and at that point it's more like a question of whether he should have waded in the free agent pool at all, not about him overpaying for them exactly. Even there though, he's also had very reasonable signings such as Brodziak and Reider, as well as the deal he re-signed Talbot to.
Nurse's agent will have his comparables, and Chia will have his comparables. Chia likely knew that Nurse's long term deal would start with a 5, so spent up his cap to try and chisel him. That's why this is taking a long time, and that's a good thing. He's trying to bring Nurse's number down as much as he can
They're going for 5+ on a long term deal because they know Chia is weak on negotiations.
Klefbom's deal would only be 4.4 per adjusted for the rise in cap, Nurse's agent isn't willing to entertain that because he knows Chia is a push over. This what you get with a GM with this kind of rep, it compromises us in negotiations.
Klef's deal was also negotiated a lot with Mac T as GM.