I work for a global company, and online shopping is one of the industries that has boomed like crazy during the epidemic. Everyone is moving to establish an online presence now because they know nobody wants to go out to shop anymore.
Collateral damage. All industries will be hit if the economy keeps going down, just a matter of time.
But yes, you're good for now.
Curious, what is the strategy they have to prevent deaths from spiking? They published predictions that deaths will increase anywhere to 50-100 per day, which does NOT include CHSLDs. But they have not explained how they will manage this. The only thing Arruda said was "deaths will increase, but not too much I hope."
Can't help you there, no idea what their strategies are.
I think there is something about test-trace-isolate that you don't really understand. Because in your mind, it is a good idea to reopen when cases are still growing steadily, when we have zero idea of how much this has spread outside healthcare and patients, when we have no capacity or plan in place to do it effectively.
I'm not saying it's a good or bad idea, I'm saying it's necessary. They need to do it asap, progressively, with businesses putting in new strict measures.
I said since the first week, test the asymptomatic crowd. They didn't do it and it doesn't appear like they will.
It has nothing to do with wanting numbers to go down to "feel safe." The facts are that the growth rates, as they are, make it IMPOSSIBLE to test/trace/isolate every single case. The strategy here is that for every single new case, you isolate them, and if they test positive you trace back every single contact this person has had for the last 2 weeks, and repeat.
It has everything to do with numbers. If you have 10 000 daily cases, even if you can test-trace-isolate, you won't want to open up. If there's 4 new cases, without tracing, you'd probably be fine.
Week 7, no strategy, we still aren't even testing 10K daily, we still aren't telling people to wear masks, so..ya..I guess, let's just stay at home again indefinitely and in June we can still talk about whether or not we should wear a mask.
They reopened construction a few weeks ago, how many new cases have happened from construction workers?
How will you trace the contacts of 900+ new cases every single day, isolate them, and test+isolate every single person each of those 900 new infected people have been in contact with for the last 2 weeks? How will you do this when people are going back to work, taking the metro, working in stores with people flowing in and out? How many people have they hired to do this impossible task?
How will they do it when cases spike to 2000-4000 per day (excluding CHSLDs)? Cause those are Quebec's own predictions. They will test-trace-isolate 4000 people per day? Isolate their families too, since our plan now is for people to isolate at home?
If you truly isolate each of them then we are back into a defacto shutdown, except this time businesses are still open and hemorrhaging money on expenses when nobody is allowed to work or leave their homes.
If you are thinking this doesn't make sense, you are right. And that's because Quebec has no intention of implementing this kind of program which you yourself admit is a necessity.
As it stands, the infection growth in Quebec is almost double all the rest of Canada combined, including Ontario. There is something wrong here, it does not make sense. We have some of the worst per-capita numbers ON THE PLANET.
And yet, we currently have the MOST aggressive reopening plan in all of Canada. More aggressive than places which have managed to control their outbreaks and grind new cases to zero. Ask yourself if this makes sense to you. Ask yourself if you really think we have this under control.
And with the outbreak growing out of control, what happens to vulnerable people? I keep seeing people here saying things like "isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us get back to work." How f***ing convenient eh? Isolate them until when exactly? The infection rates are not getting better, they are getting worse, and they will increase significantly after we reopen as per Quebec's own models and predictions.
First, you're confusing Greater Montreal with Quebec. Mtl is unique case and nothing has reopened yet.
Second, we still don't actually the prevalence of this virus in most of the population.
Third, we don't have the most aggressive plan...a lot of European countries have similar reopening plans, each with a few differences. Some countries didn't even officially lockdown.
If it's not safe for your parents to go out now, why will it be safe when cases are at 2000-4000 new cases per day? How will you tell your parents that they need to keep staying home indefinitely?
Again, would it climb to 4K??? We do not know how prevalent this virus still is.
My parents are in the vulnerable age, so they stay in. Never said 70+ should get out and party.
Honestly man, I really wonder how your perspective would change if this virus was most dangerous to people 30-50 instead of 60+. Would you be clamouring for this thing is spread uncontrollably if it meant you could no longer leave the house at all?
30-50 crowd is pretty much the vast majority of the workforce. So obviously, it would be different.
I'm not saying let this thing spread uncontrollably, that is your issue here. I've repeatedly said we need to learn how to live with this and do it asap.
Stay home and wait....indefinitely....until what?? What are you waiting for? For them to put in strategies that you, yourself, don't think they'll do or can do.
At the end of the day, it comes down to this. You can't have it both ways. You can't say you want to reopen when the virus is still spreading at it's peak (and growing) knowing full well that it will increase significantly once the lockdown is lifted... And still say you want to control spread via test-trace-isolation.
These things are mutually exclusive.
You don't actually know it'll be a significant increase, and a lot of the numbers are skewed based on the type of test, standards applied to test positive, targeted demographic, number of tests.
As I said before, we reopened construction and landscaping 2 weeks ago, more businesses are following suit today in regions. So we should see a pretty decent rise in numbers by the end of this week if this virus is still as present out there.
