I think Mauer gets in on the first ballot. Great player in his prime and i think his aura of "overly nice midwestern boy who played for his hometown team" is going to put him just over the top.
Don't really have a problem with it. If he gets in on the first go then i have to imagine Posey does especially since he has the rings on his resume.
Posey is arguably the best catcher of his generation so he should get in first ballot regardless.
I agree with your point on Mauer. He was always a nice guy and that seems to be important since its journalists voting for you.
Posey ranks higher among catchers all time than Pedroia does among second basemen all time.I dont disagree, I find it funny how the voters pick and choose when to apply the same criteria though.
IMO, Posey and Pedroia are 2 sides of the same coin. Arguably the best C and 2B of their era with near mirror image HOF resumes and careers cut short by a controversial injury, but Pedroia will be an afterthought in the voting.
Posey: 1x MVP, ROY, 5x Silver Slugger, 1x Gold Glove, 3x WS winner, 44.9 WAR in 1,371 games
Pedroia: 1x MVP, ROY, 1x Silver Slugger, 4x Gold Glove, 2x WS winner, 51.9 WAR in 1,512 games
You're not a HOFerMauer is not a Hofer.
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Joe Mauer- 2123 Hits, 143 HR, .306 Lifetime BA, MVP, 6X all-star, 3X Gold Glove, 5X Silver Slugger, 3X Batting title (Only Catcher to ever have this many).
Buster Posey- 1500 Hits, 158 HR, .302 Lifetime BA, MVP, ROY, 7X All Star, 3X WS, Gold Glove, 4X Silver Slugger, Batting Title.
Niether does he...... ok?
I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
Maybe they weren't trying to make a point, they were simply comparing their resumes..... ok?
I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
Catcher CJoe Mauer- 2123 Hits, 143 HR, .306 Lifetime BA, MVP, 6X all-star, 3X Gold Glove, 5X Silver Slugger, 3X Batting title (Only Catcher to ever have this many).
Buster Posey- 1500 Hits, 158 HR, .302 Lifetime BA, MVP, ROY, 7X All Star, 3X WS, Gold Glove, 4X Silver Slugger, Batting Title.
Because that’s a very limited picture of a players career. AJ isn’t close to either Posey or Mauer in terms of defence or overall offense.Catcher C
2,043 hits, 188 HR, .280 Lifetime BA
Why is Catcher C not worthy of HOF?
Catcher C
2,043 hits, 188 HR, .280 Lifetime BA
Why is Catcher C not worthy of HOF?
Can't put Manny and A-Rod in there if Bonds and Clemens isn't in.There is no rhyme or reason as to why A-Rod and Manny are kept out. But my guess is neither of them get in this way unless they start inducting the guys from the juiced era, which they should. If that is the case then there are a lot of guys past their 10 years of eligibility that belong. We all know the names, and only Curt Schilling is a name that wasn't involved or suspected in steroids or gambling (Rose, Shoeless). There is just bizarre grudges the BHOF has with some players. I suspect A-Rod will continue to have things held against him. So if you are wondering if I believe the juiced stars should get in then yes I believe it.
As for pitchers, no doubt Pettitte belongs. I'd put him in this year as well.
Catcher C
2,043 hits, 188 HR, .280 Lifetime BA
Why is Catcher C not worthy of HOF?
Can't put Manny and A-Rod in there if Bonds and Clemens isn't in.
Baseball HOF is dumb and meaningless.
Can't put Manny and A-Rod in there if Bonds and Clemens isn't in.
Baseball HOF is dumb and meaningless.
Agreed. But they won't. At least not anytime soon.You put them all in. They were all Hall of Famers.
Agreed. But they won't. At least not anytime soon.
Getting a plaque has nothing whatsoever to do with "writing the history of baseball." It is an honor for the person. The history is presented in the museum, which includes Jackson, Rose, Bonds, McGwire, etc, along with plenty of other people whose contributions are utterly indispensable to the history of the sport, but who do not in any way deserve a plaque.That's the problem with baseball. They can't write their history without the players they have omitted. Rose, Shoeless Joe gambled, or allegedly with Shoeless. But look at the in your face gambling on TV and in ads today. It is sick.
Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, Manny, Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, etc. just like the above two are part of baseball history. Try telling the story of baseball without these men. Curt Schilling did neither of these and they just don't seem to like his "go to the beat of my own drum" mentality. But man oh man if there is a pitcher who is a Hall of Famer it is Curt. Baseball goes the other way of hockey, they are too strict and they hold grudges.
But Bud Selig, the guy who oversaw the steroid era and helped cancel the 1994 World Series is in there.
Getting a plaque has nothing whatsoever to do with "writing the history of baseball." It is an honor for the person. The history is presented in the museum, which includes Jackson, Rose, Bonds, McGwire, etc, along with plenty of other people whose contributions are utterly indispensable to the history of the sport, but who do not in any way deserve a plaque.
You cannot tell the story of baseball without Fred Merkle, but no one argues that Merkle deserves a plaque.
Pete Rose was a self-aggrandizing rapist who broke the cardinal rule of baseball because he is an arrogant SOB who does not believe that rules apply to him, and then has had the temerity to lie about it, over and over again, changing his story whenever it suits him. The man has been treated far too leniently by baseball over the years - what he deserves is damnatio memorae, the utter degradation of his memory. No plaques, no retired numbers, no anniversary teams, no ballpark recognition, nothing. Baseball should tell the Reds to never mention or recognize Rose again. Baseball should tell the shops in Cooperstown to bar Rose's annual HOF autograph sessions. I might go so far as to demand that Rose be burned in effigy, save that in the future credulous morons might start viewing Rose as some kind of noble resistance figure.
Joe Jackson was also guilty - he knew about the scheme to throw the World Series, conspired with the ringleaders, took the money, and thought he could get away with it. He told the truth, as best as well can tell, to the Cook County grand jury, and then tried to take it back because he suddenly faced real consequences for his actions. He blatantly perjured himself in a subsequent civil trial when he sued the White Sox for salary he believed was owed him, and then spent the rest of his life lying about his actions. He deserved his ban and deserves far more scorn than he gets, thanks to bad journalism on the part of Eliot Asinof, and favorable media coverage due to the myth of Jackson's persona.
We do not need to honor these people. We certainly don't need to honor them to remember them and their actions.
We know 175 votes and don't know 209. Those are the 175.1. Adrian Beltre, 98.9%, 173 votes
2. Joe Mauer, 83.4%, 146 votes
3. Todd Helton, 82.9%, 145 votes
4. Billy Wagner, 80.0%, 140 votes
5. Gary Sheffield, 73.7%, 129 votes
6. Andruw Jones, 72.0%, 126 votes
7. Carlos Beltran, 66.9%, 117 votes
8. Chase Utley, 43.4%, 76 votes
9. Alex Rodriguez, 39.4%, 69 votes
10. Manny Ramirez, 36.0%, 63 votes
So, a lot of this is widely believed, but are actually myths.I will say that is pretty harsh. Jackson just so we know batted .375 during the World Series and made no errors in the field. He was an illiterate farm boy. I am not saying he knew or didn't know, I am just saying that at what point do you start looking at his on field contributions and give him credit for that? Eddie Cicotte was denied his bonus for the chance to win 30 games that season. I am not saying that is an excuse, but it does make you realize that this was likely the time that he fell in with the gamblers. Sometimes the owners get a clear slate on these things too but they aided this situation too. Plus Jackson is 3rd all-time on the career batting average list. It's been 100 years already. And with the way sports is so in your face with the gambling - during the game - it just makes you realize even more that there could be a cloud of corruption out there that goes well beyond a single player.
So, a lot of this is widely believed, but are actually myths.
Cicotte was never denied a bonus - he actually got two chances to win his 30th game in 1917, and blew both of them. He and his teammates were actually paid quite well by MLB standards at the time - he and Chick Gandil just got greedy (indeed, Gandil probably kept money meant for the other players and blamed the guys backing them).
Jackson was functionally illiterate, but not stupid - he later became a successful businessman. He did have his wife read and write for him, but he wasn't some Forrest Gump-esque character. He knew exactly what he was doing.
We know Jackson was guilty of participating in the fix and taking the money, because that's what he admitted to doing in sworn testimony to a grand jury. That he later spent the rest of his life lying about it doesn't invalidate his participation in a conspiracy, for which he was justifiably banned. It doesn't matter how well he performed - he was in on the fix, took the money for it, and got banned, which makes him permanently ineligible regardless of his performance, and rightly so.