Contracts - Nylander, Marner, AM

[connormcmuffin]

They aren't making a penny more than Pasta, just hope neither forces a bridge deal.

Matthews 11 x 8 Nylander and Mitch 6.25 x 6

 

[Swedish Gretzky]

Simply because he is not comparable to Mcdaivd? Mcdavid is a top 3 player in the world, matthews is a top 10 center. They are very apart right now. Matthews only has one comparable right now and its eichel. Eichel is more productive but matthews is better two way. Matthews should get around 9.5 million to 10.5 million

People need to stop overrating Matthews. Hes not a 12 million AAV player and unlikely never will be -

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Matthews is going to get McDavid money for sure; certainly $12 million per year over 8 years. Why should he settle for $10 or $10.5 million?
Nylander gets at least $6 million per with Marner probably getting $7 million.

Why would Matthews get McDavid money? In McDavid's second year he put up 100 points and is on pace for 96 this season on a terrible Oilers team. Matthews if he played a full season is on pace for 77. And while Matthews put up 40 goals Mcdavid is on pace for 36. McDavid at this point is a better player than Matthews.

 

[Swedish Gretzky]

Why would Matthews get McDavid money? In McDavid's second year he put up 100 points and is on pace for 96 this season on a terrible Oilers team. Matthews if he played a full season is on pace for 77. And while Matthews put up 40 goals Mcdavid is on pace for 36. McDavid at this point is a better player than Matthews.

Matthews is a great player, and likely will be one of the best decorated American players ever. But he's not at the generational type level - ie. Crosby/malkin/mcdavid/ovechkin etc....

 

[Halla]

Matthews at 10
Marner and Nylander at 7

both get more than pastrnak coming off 34g/70pts? brutal

 

[Swedish Gretzky]

Yeah everything you're saying seems unrealistically low @sergay berezipper

Please do some research and see Pastrnak's numbers before signing his sub-7 million AAV contract

 

[grapes55]

I can see Nylander getting a bridge deal of $5M AAV x 3. Also see Matthews getting signed long term before Marner contract talks, possible Marner gets bridged as well.

There's no way Nylander gets 5 on a BRIDGE deal, especially when Kucharov signed a 3 year deal for less than that having accomplished more at that point

 

[Swedish Gretzky]

Heck go for 6 but i dont think realistically its gonna be less than 7.

All 3 have to be under 24-25 million. Matthews could easily get more than 10

What makes them deserve more than Pastrnak? Id like to hear your reasoning?

 

[Duke Silver]

Less than $25m.

 

[hamzarocks]

7x6 or 8x6.5 for nylander and marner
and 10x8 for matthews. Slight overpay for current level matthews but he will continue to grow and become a better player.

 

[Menzinger]

They aren't making a penny more than Pasta, just hope neither forces a bridge deal.

Matthews 11 x 8 Nylander and Mitch 6.25 x 6

Re Marner and Nylander, they may get a bit more than Pasta depending on some contract variables.

1) Pastas deal takes him the quickest route to UFA status, if Leafs management wants to eat up some UFA years on their deal it may cost them.

2) Pasta (and Elhers for that matter) had only put up one season of high production. Nylander will have two high scoring seasons Marne twill have 3, which may lesd to higher paydays.

That said, I don’t expect them to have major raises, both end up in the 6-7 mil range most likely

 

[Swedish Gretzky]

Re Marner and Nylander, they may get a bit more than Pasta depending on some contract variables.

1) Pastas deal takes him the quickest route to UFA status, if Leafs management wants to eat up some UFA years on their deal it may cost them.

2) Pasta (and Elhers for that matter) had only put up one season of high production. Nylander will have two high scoring seasons Marne twill have 3, which may lesd to higher paydays.

That said, I don’t expect them to have major raises, both end up in the 6-7 mil range most likely

Leafs can easily frontload their contracts to make the contract much more attractive to the players (AAV would still be the same but hopefully lower in exchange for frontloading).

 

[baton elevated]

I think you have to keep in mind some compatibles around the league. Look at Monahan and Johnny hockey in calgary, their numbers through the first 3 years are better than our group (Matthews excluded). Johnny Gerbil is top 5 in the league in scoring and only makes 6.75 mil for 6 years. With Pasta included in that bracket this is where Mitch and Willie will fall as well. 6-6.5 mil per year. Matthews around the Eichel number.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Time to revisit contract predictions - given somewhat cummulative underwhelimg performances by willie/marner

Willie haaving a good year but still only 14 goals.
Wohld be ideal for him to get signed at ok AAV. Athletic Toronto recently was saying 7+ mill AAV?!!

What do you think realistically will happen for the Big 3? Bridge vs Long term - Cost/term?

Comparables: pastrnak, ehlers, draisaitl,

Matthews: 9-10M
Comprable: Stamkos (8.5M over 7)

Nylander: 6-6.5M
Comparable: Pastrnak (6.6M over 6), Ehlers (6M over 7)

Marner: 6-6.5M
Comparable: Pastrnak (6.6M over 6), Ehlers (6M over 7)

*I think most important will be to find savings around them. Locking guys up to bargain deals before their value soars:

Kadri: 4.5M over 5
Andersson: 5M over 5
Rielly: 5M over 5

I really hope we can get Dermott to sign to a team friendly deal early. Something along the lines of Klinberg's 4.25 over 7 years, or Pesce's 4M over 5. If we wait too long he could end up being worth over 5, which would not be great for our cap going forward. Frontload the deal if you have to to make it more enticing.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

This is a major point: Pastrnak/Ehlers signed after ONE breakout season.

Pastrnak signed his deal after ONE 70 point season (26 points in 51 games the season before)
Ehlers signed his deal after ONE 64 point season (38 points in 72 games the season before)

Marner had 61 points last year and is on pace for 61 points this season.
Nylander had 61 points last year and is on pace for 60 points this season.

But you have to realize Matthews and Marner could easily skip contract talks this season and just wait for the season after where they'll get more points most likely. If Marner goes from 61 points to 61 points to 71 points, do you give him the same money as Pastrnak who got 6.67 mill after one 70 point season? Or do you have to give him more because he's proven his worth?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Pretty sure that Willy and Mitch will fall in the 6-7m range. My biggest concern is exnteding the three in a way that they don’t have more than one guy expiring each season down the line. Ideally it’s 7 years for Willy and Mitch and 8 for Matthews. Then you have Nylander come up first again followed by Marner then Matthews last. Staggering the expiration dates of these three will be key in cap management going forward imo

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Pretty sure that Willy and Mitch will fall in the 6-7m range. My biggest concern is exnteding the three in a way that they don’t have more than one guy expiring each season down the line. Ideally it’s 7 years for Willy and Mitch and 8 for Matthews. Then you have Nylander come up first again followed by Marner then Matthews last. Staggering the expiration dates of these three will be key in cap management going forward imo

IMO I think Matthews and Marner will wait till next season to sign their deal simply because they'll put more points than what they'll currently get this season.

Nylander for 7 years starting next season, and Matthews/Marner for 7 starting the season after that. Kadri/Kappy/Brown/Hyman being the current roster players that will be long-term fixtures that will have contracts expire at different times than the big-3 most likely.

 

[Americanadian]

Eichel
Ehlers
Ehlers

 

[drewjenks]

Time to revisit contract predictions - given somewhat cummulative underwhelimg performances by willie/marner

Willie haaving a good year but still only 14 goals.
Wohld be ideal for him to get signed at ok AAV. Athletic Toronto recently was saying 7+ mill AAV?!!

What do you think realistically will happen for the Big 3? Bridge vs Long term - Cost/term?

Comparables: pastrnak, ehlers, draisaitl,

Matthews = $10,000,000 x 8 years
Nylander = $6,000,000 x 7 years
Marner = $6,000,000 x 7 years

- All three sign on the same day (early July 2018)
- Lou sits them all down in a room together (with their agents).
- And asks them if they want to win the Stanley Cup together (and if they're willing to help the team do it).
- He then presents them with a list of sponsorship opportunities the organization has curated for them.
- And finally, Lou reminds them that winning a cup to Toronto ensures they'll keep making millions of dollars from this city long after they retire.

This is the same pitch the gets Doughty to sign for $10,000,000 x 7 years.....

 

[drewjenks]

Eichel
Ehlers
Ehlers

DAMN STRAIGHT.

The next person who says

12
8
8

Will get a boot.

 

[Gabriel426]

People need to stop overrating Matthews. Hes not a 12 million AAV player and unlikely never will be -

I don't think anyone is a 12 million AAV player and that includes Sid and McDavid.

 

[Gabriel426]

At noon on July 1, 2018. There will be a press conference at ACC, while everyone thought it is for the announcement of the extension of Willie, Auston and Mitch. It is actually that and the signing of JT, Jumbo Joe and Rick Nash. All six of them will wear the Maple Leafs Jersey, then Shanny will also announce Lou will only retire when the Leafs win the Cup.

 

[Walshy7]

Matthews contract will not just be about points. He is a far better hockey player than eichel (not just offense) and he is a fairly better 2way player than mcdavid. Based on points and play alone he is probably right in the middle of them so that would be $11.5 but you absolutely have to factor in he is the face of the biggest franchise in the league and likely it’s captain that adds money to a contract.

Please don’t bring up endorsements no player should take less money in a contract because they may make more in endorsements.

Some of these posters with their fantasy contracts of sub $10m make me laugh why not in your fantasy world imagine Matthews plays for league minimum? Posters are actually putting Matthews down to justify giving him a lesser contract

 

[Spirit of 67]

Time to revisit contract predictions - given somewhat cummulative underwhelimg performances by willie/marner

Willie haaving a good year but still only 14 goals.
Wohld be ideal for him to get signed at ok AAV. Athletic Toronto recently was saying 7+ mill AAV?!!

What do you think realistically will happen for the Big 3? Bridge vs Long term - Cost/term?

Comparables: pastrnak, ehlers, draisaitl,

Mitch/Willy - $6.25M
Matthews - $10.5M

 

[Mugzy97]

I said this a long time ago but 23M for all 3 of them. Cut the pie however you want, but Lou will get it done.