Looks like a couple of eastern teams are ramping up for fights with their landlords
. Help a brother out or we'll move this here team to Quebec^H^H^H^H^H^H Hamilton, yeah that's the ticket, Hamilton.City of Hamilton backs $100K arena study with eye to NHL
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Looks like a couple of eastern teams are ramping up for fights with their landlords
. Help a brother out or we'll move this here team to Quebec^H^H^H^H^H^H Hamilton, yeah that's the ticket, Hamilton.
Killion
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Its definitely not Ron Joyce. Could be Young, but it could also be a few other people & people with a lot more wealth than Young has. I dont know who it is but Ive certainly heard lots of rumors & whispers that yes indeed, there is someone very serious behind the curtain who's been tracking this for several years now. And no, it certainly isnt Jim Balsillie either. So for now, just a "rumor". Skuttlebutt. Solid skuttlebutt but skuttlebutt none the less.
Yeah i didn't think Joyce would be going again but when you talk billionaires and Hamilton the air gets rarefied pretty quickly. DeGroote would be another. Michael Lee-Chin would be the age that he could play a longer game than DeGroote
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Cotton
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If NHL wasn't greedy with their demanding of a 500m fee, Seattle wold have made a bid.
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I think the lack of an arena or even solid plans for an arena was the biggest determinant of have zero bids from Seattle.
as Gary Bettman has been saying recently, what does 'expansion team x' do for the NHL? And he also mentioned something that nobody is talking about, current teams will get less from national revenues each year. Some teams make more from national revenues than their own revenues. 500 million over 5 years is probably more like 200 million in actual money.
There been expansion awarded to cities where they didn't even have the arena finalized yet. The reason why there was no bids was that 500m expansion fee not due to lack of an arena or solids plans.
Seriously 500m fee on top of already having to pay majority if not all of the cost of the arena just for hockey is not going to happen.
GTA2 group also didn't bid due to that fee.
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City still needs a lot of work. The Pan Am games was just a huge headache. Routes need a ton of improving..
They go to them when they make sense. Going to China or Korea doesn't make much sense for the NHL - both from a location and a timing POV. Holding something they control such as the World Cup means they can run it when it makes sense for them and the league gets the profits from it. And hopefully it will still get some exposure.
Personally for the NHL, the WC makes a lot more sense then the Olympics. I know many do not want to hear it, but going to Asia will do little for the NHL or the game of hockey in North America.
And yet that 500m fee didn't seem to deter LV or QC.
Seattle's issue is that even if they submitted a bit, there's no guarantee that they can get an arena built. Which is going to have a massive trickle down effect on what they can present the board. I mean good luck presenting some financials when you do not know what your rent (or debt) payments are going to be on the arena.
The truth is that Seattle simply isn't ready and wasn't going to be ready by the short deadline the NHL issued. Now if the NHL had said that they're going to award 2 franchises to start the 19/20 or 20/21 season and would be accepting submissions as of August 2016, then perhaps things would have been different in regards to Seattle.
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It's hard to say the NHL was greedy when they got two bidders that were fine with the price tag.
If they demanded $500M, didn't back off from that number and got zero bids, then you would be able to say they were greedy.
Big McLargehuge
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West Harbour.
And you're wrong on all counts. Infrastructure exists, and there is tons of parking within walking distance as indicated in the IBI report fore the stadium.
Also, keep in mind the new GO station and future LRT.
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Doesn't have to be a Hamiltonian.
Gagliardi, from Vancouver, was interested in a Hamilton team, and ended buying the Stars.
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2009/06/02/9646076-sun.html
The sewage and water in the area are inadequate.
Parking is penny packet until you get to Jackson Square.
Also all of the roads leading to the area are single lane and don't get to a larger artery (York) for blocks, imagine trying to get out of that mess with 20 000 of your closest friends.
I'm not holding my breath for LRT, they couldn't make a dedicated bus lane work.
For Reference the yellow is the area the city purchased in advance of the pan am games for the west harbour arena site.
Constrast this with the artists rendition of the area, see anything different about the area directly to the north of the stadia?
That's right the Rail Yard is gone.
Exactly my point. There's no "growing the game." Never was. It's a sales pitch. The NHL has always been about the short-to-medium term. They like the fast cash expansion provides and if they thought they would have had to wait three decades for a half-decent television contract, they probably would have never gone to hockey outposts like Phoenix or Miami in the first place. It's why they never followed up their commitments to those cities with significant league-level investment in youth hockey. The World Cup is just another example. A six country tournament which wouldn't look out of place in the 1960's, leaving half the hockey world to sit on the sidelines. A quick way for the NHL to generate profit, to the detriment of the international game.
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A little more on Kujavsky who is spearheading the study that is being paid for by "unidentified private-sector donors"
http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/5952836-dreschel-mayor-had-no-hand-in-hiring-arena-consultant/
http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/5952836-dreschel-mayor-had-no-hand-in-hiring-arena-consultant/
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The sewage and water in the area are inadequate.
Parking is penny packet until you get to Jackson Square.
Also all of the roads leading to the area are single lane and don't get to a larger artery (York) for blocks, imagine trying to get out of that mess with 20 000 of your closest friends.
I'm not holding my breath for LRT, they couldn't make a dedicated bus lane work.
For Reference the yellow is the area the city purchased in advance of the pan am games for the west harbour arena site.
Constrast this with the artists rendition of the area, see anything different about the area directly to the north of the stadia?
That's right the Rail Yard is gone.
Look, I don't want to go back and forth on this, but you're wrong.
Right now the city is in the middle of planning and spending on developing that water front for residential and mixed use. That's includes upgrading existing infrastructure.
http://www.thestar.com/business/201...to_its_waterfront_as_next_great_frontier.html
I've already referenced the IBI parking report, look it up. There are thousands of spots within walking distance.
The LRT has nothing to do with the half assed implementation of the bus lane. LRT is Metrolinx's baby. Metrolinx has been building transit infrastructure for a while now. They have a track record of investing billions.
Not sure what an artisit's rendition of tracks, or trees has to do with arena location. As I've already said, there is a brand new GO station already up and running right there. ( Barton?Tiffany is potential arena location being discussed)
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4871588-waves-of-change/
Having said all that, my preference is the current FOC location, which, according to Google, is a mere 10 minute walk from the West Harbour site with more than enough road access. Highway 430 is nearby (4 mins from the York Blvd exit & 5 mins from the Mains St exit according to Google) as are multiple lane, one-way (defacto) expressways like King St, Main St, and Cannon.
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GuelphStormer
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yeah, I also don't want to get into this silly debate either.
from personal experience, I have NEVER had a problem getting to or from a sold out event at Copps. There are more than enough roads coming from all directions, and parking lots within a 10 minute walk, that can easily handle me and my 20,000 friends.
