Speculation: Chicago Rebuild Thread

[goldenbladz1]

Toews had a great series against Edmonton with their lousy D and hurt Klefbom. Then he faced a deep team and went silent. And we've all seen enough not to doubt Kane. Besides they each had the same number of points in the playoffs.

except Kane doesn't provide much else if not putting up points (except stalling the PP) but Toews does.

 

[COHawk]

Kane to Colorado at 50% retention for the next 3 years. Keith to Vancouver taking back Erickson and Sutter. What does get you?

Not a chance they would retain 50% on Kane

 

[violaswallet]

Keith to Florida: Reunites with Q, fits their need of a top line defensively responsible partner for Ekblad, is only owed a total of 6.25M over his last 3 years.

My guess is Chicago looks to get Knight as the main piece coming back

Lol no: Knight is not available for Keith.

Keith is an all-time great, future Hall of Famer, and a player I’d love to have on the Panthers but his age and contract means that we will not give up our top tier futures

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Is there something that can be done around Merzlikins + Foudy/Texier + 1st or prospect like Marchenko + Defenseman not named Jones/Werenski for Kane?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Lol no: Knight is not available for Keith.

Keith is an all-time great, future Hall of Famer, and a player I’d love to have on the Panthers but his age and contract means that we will not give up our top tier futures

Not saying it's a 1 for 1... I think Strome and cap going back to Chicago would even it up

 

[wahsnairb]

Is there something that can be done around Merzlikins + Foudy/Texier + 1st or prospect like Marchenko + Defenseman not named Jones/Werenski for Kane?

It would most likely start with Werenski and I wouldn’t blame CBJ at all for not wanting any part of that... that is the best D pair in the league now, I think.

Kane had 110p in 81 games last season and 84p in 70 this season on pretty blah teams and he is only 31. The only thing that takes away some value from him is his 10M cost.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Toews at 7m? Hmm maybe. But he's on a bigtime decline. And Glass needs a new contract in 2 seasons.

Very, very mild interest.

Come again? Career high 81 pts last year. 70 pt pace this year, 5 g, 4 a in 9 playoff games this year.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

2/19/88 aren't going anywhere unless they ask to, which I don't think will happen. Pointless to discuss.

 

[HawksDub89]

Kane and Keith with full retention to Colorado For Byram and Newhook.

Done.

That probably wins Colorado a cup, imo. (Kane alone would make them unstoppable)

 

[Richard88]

What would Chicago want from Colorado for Toews with a substantial amount of retention?

 

[HawksDub89]

Done.

That probably wins Colorado a cup, imo. (Kane alone would make them unstoppable)

Actually I misread this. I’m not sure Chicago would do full retention on both guys. That’s steep.

 

[wahsnairb]

What would Chicago want from Colorado for Toews with a substantial amount of retention?

I mean just realize/remember you’re now trading for a 70 point C who is one of the best defensive C in the league still and has 3 cups... at whatever his new lower cap hit is.

A lot.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Actually I misread this. I’m not sure Chicago would do full retention on both guys. That’s steep.

It's just money, and I doubt the Hawks will need the cap space. The actual cash retained is pretty minimal in both contracts.

 

[Richard88]

I mean just realize/remember you’re now trading for a 70 point C who is one of the best defensive C in the league still and has 3 cups... at whatever his new lower cap hit is.

A lot.

Let's say Toews with $3.5m retained ($7m caphit x 3 years). What do you want? Newhook + 2021 1st + Compher?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Let's say Toews with $3.5m retained ($7m caphit x 3 years). What do you want? Newhook + 2021 1st + Compher?

Start with Byram. Then start adding.

That being said, none of Toews/Kane/Keith are going anywhere unless they want to.
Keith is the only one that I'm very sure would want to leave.

 

[HawksDub89]

It's just money, and I doubt the Hawks will need the cap space. The actual cash retained is pretty minimal in both contracts.

I mean, I’d probably consider it. Those are two great prospects.

88 is gonna be good well into his 30s, the way he takes care of himself and his style of play. So it’s tough to pull the trigger on the deal involving Kane.

But like I said, that’s a great offer.

 

[HawksDub89]

Start with Byram. Then start adding.

That being said, none of Toews/Kane/Keith are going anywhere unless they want to.
Keith is the only one that I'm very sure would want to leave.

You won’t get Byram for Toews unless the hawks are paying for everything. Toews is closer to a decline. He’ll be good for another 2-3 years, then morph into a 3C.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

You won’t get Byram for Toews unless the hawks are paying for everything. Toews is closer to a decline. He’ll be good for another 2-3 years, then morph into a 3C.

That's fine because he's only signed for 3 years.
You're getting the rest of his best years for 7 or 7.5.
Byram+Kaut/1st probably gets it done.

We're looking for a grade A prospect+grade B prospect or a 1st for Toews with $3M retained.

Kane is grade A prospect+ grade B prospect+1st Only exception is if the Rangers are offering Lafreniere.
Then we might budge on the grade B/1st.

 

[HawksDub89]

Honestly the only contender that has the prospect capital to make a Kane trade work is Colorado.

Rangers aren’t trading laf, and late 1sts for Kane aren’t worth enough. (Which is where NY will soon be picking)

 

[bernmeister]

Rangers-Toews 40% Retained, Keith 25% Retained
Hawks-Strome, DeAngelo, Miller or Lundquist, 2021 1st

NO NO NO
stop w/the win now bs
Strome and Deangelo we can talk, Miller and Lundquist are off limits

Also do not want either
Keith - a stud but too much wear and tear
or
Toews too much salary

If we can assist in brokering 3rd team to facilitate a deal elsewhere, with a fee for our troubles, fine
otherwise no thanks

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Honestly the only contender that has the prospect capital to make a Kane trade work is Colorado.

Rangers aren’t trading laf, and late 1sts for Kane aren’t worth enough. (Which is where NY will soon be picking)

If they'd be willing to move Laf or Kakko I'd listen for sure.
I'd be willing to take a cap dump to make it work, something that still has some use like R. Strome etc.

 

[bernmeister]

That's fine because he's only signed for 3 years.
You're getting the rest of his best years for 7 or 7.5.
Byram+Kaut/1st probably gets it done.

We're looking for a grade A prospect+grade B prospect or a 1st for Toews with $3M retained.

Kane is grade A prospect+ grade B prospect+1st Only exception is if the Rangers are offering Lafreniere.
Then we might budge on the grade B/1st.

Understood and a fair ask under the circumstances, but Rangers decline, LaF will not be offered.

Kane would be super fab but again, reality, cap and exp dr\
SO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[bernmeister]

If they'd be willing to move Laf or Kakko I'd listen for sure.
I'd be willing to take a cap dump to make it work, something that still has some use like R. Strome etc.

Not moving Kakko either
building a kick ass dynamo, not splurging on primo vets at this time.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Understood and a fair ask under the circumstances, but Rangers decline, LaF will not be offered.

Kane would be super fab but again, reality, cap and exp dr\
SO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

EDIT: Answered

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Colorado made Chicago's life really easy for a couple of years there. In return, we request you trade us Duncan Keith to help mentor Byram and Makar. I don't think it's a big ask.