Seravalli: Chiarot being scratched until traded?

[Mike Liut]

Blues offer Perunovich, Scandella and a 3rd. You can then flip Scandella

 

[stl76]

Blues offer Perunovich, Scandella and a 3rd. You can then flip Scandella

No, they absolutely do not

 

[Mike Liut]

No, they absolutely do not

Thats better than a 1st for the Blues imo

 

[BigFatCat999]

My fever dream; upgraded from a nightmare: Forsberg and Harpur for Josh Anderson plus Chiarot.

 

[BlueOil]

Thats better than a 1st for the Blues imo

keeping scandella is better asset management than trading him plus perunovich and a 3rd for a rental who isn't going to be part of the long-term plan

 

[The90]

Habs hardly controlled any play despite whatever scores you think might polish up how they really looked.

I love the Habs too, but I think you’re way off.

Carey Price made that D look awful good though. Results based opinion. A hot goalie can cover up a lot of warts

 

[Celtic Note]

Blues won't have him without 1st rounder for sure.

Good?

 

[Gravity]

Y'all keep calling Chiarot garbage until he's playing for your team and you suddenly start to see the value.

 

[10Ducky10]

Leafs will not be paying a 1st for Chiarot.

Dubas has already stated previously that he will not move a 1st for a rental player. Only for a player with term.

Jets will send you Dillon for a 1st.
A much better D man than Chiarot.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Y'all keep calling Chiarot garbage until he's playing for your team and you suddenly start to see the value.

Ahhh yes, just what the Blues need, more bad cross-checking penalties to kill off. That would make them so much better.

 

[Gravity]

Ahhh yes, just what the Blues need, more bad cross-checking penalties to kill off. That would make them so much better.

Sure sure. We'll see.

 

[Voight]

We soon will know who is the idiot however i suspect that several are offering up their first for him. Posters here are not GMs...we need to remember that.

I don't.... if you're going to trade a first theres better options available like Lindholm.

Again, decent player but not someone whos a key cog, more of a complimentary piece.

 

[Krett Bulak]

This. Chariot is far from being a top D in this league, but he's more than shown his worth during the playoffs.

Reading what has been said about Chariot, I sure hope that he does not end up on a team like the Leafs. He will make that team better and tougher to play against during the playoffs.

Some fans still have not realized that players like Chariot who play like a beast and give their all on the ice are needed to help you win rounds during a playoffs run. Offensive skills only bring you so far without a mix of heart, will and grit.

See recent two-times cup winner, some people were laughing at them when they saw the price they paid to acquire "bottom six forwards" and "bottom pair defencemen". Look who's laughing now with the two championships.

Totally man ! People laughed at 1st round pick for Coleman's, Goodrow's and Savard's of this world, but I would give 10 first round picks for a Stanley cup any time soon for my team. If you look back, great moves by the GM is what made the lightning a team with almost no weakness.

 

[Vitto79]

He’s getting the 2nd and a prospect treatment

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ahhh yes, just what the Blues need, more bad cross-checking penalties to kill off. That would make them so much better.

Just what we need, more flawed context into Chiarot's game and value. You need to quantify your knee jerk opinion with context.

Defenseman in the last two playoffs with higher PIM/TOI% than Chiarot. Not going to name them all but here are some worth noting.
* Myers
* Zadorov
* Dumba
* Krug
* Weber
* Dunn
* Giordano
* Chychrun
* McAvoy
* Oleksiak
* Weegar
* Sergachev
* Hamilton
* OEL

A few others very close to Chiarot: Pietrangelo, Morrissey, Graves, Orlov, Nurse, Carlson, Fox, Cernak,

 

[bert]

Addition by subtraction for montreal

Dude sucks

They’ll probably get even better

How do you like hockey since you've started watching the last couple of months?

 

[Scintillating10]

Blues offer Perunovich, Scandella and a 3rd. You can then flip Scandella

Make 3rd a 2nd?

 

[jfhabs]

Damn, well, let's trade Ben Chiarot for a 7th if we're lucky


Graphs that don't tell the whole story are all we need now.

Don't forget, it was a graph like this that said Joel Edmundson was the worst player in the league.

Weber too, while Kulak was a solid defenseman (he's ok)... just shows you can't base your analysis on WAR alone, it's defficient.

 

[FrankMTL]

I'm having a good time reading this thread. There's one thing that I'm really looking forward to though, it's reading through the messages on the team forum that acquires Chiarot. Good or bad, it will be entertaining.

I almost hope it's the Bruins or the Leafs as the profanity will be on a whole other level.

 

[Sypher04]

To Toronto for a 1st please, I want to see the meltdown after listening to Leafs fans for weeks saying confirming they won't even give a 2nd for Chiarot.

As a Leaf fan, he is definitely not my top target by any means, but I think he brings elements in his game the Leafs D could use more of and I would do a 2nd if other options do not pan out. Not from this upcoming draft though. And I most certainly wouldn’t do a 1st. I’d be quite unhappy if that happened.

 

[Wats]

As a Leaf fan, he is definitely not my top target by any means, but I think he brings elements in his game the Leafs D could use more of and I would do a 2nd if other options do not pan out. Not from this upcoming draft though. And I most certainly wouldn’t do a 1st. I’d be quite unhappy if that happened.

I feel like the Leafs would prefer Petry who can also be physical but much more mobile/better with puck. Wonder if there's something that can work around Petry+Allen (50% retention) for Mrazek+Dermott+futures.

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Petry
Sandin - Liljegren/Lyubushkin

 

[lamp9post]

I don't.... if you're going to trade a first theres better options available like Lindholm.

Again, decent player but not someone whos a key cog, more of a complimentary piece.

According to reports there are at least 5-6 teams interested in Chiarot and there is only one Lindholm.

 

[pth2]

I feel like the Leafs would prefer Petry who can also be physical but much more mobile/better with puck. Wonder if there's something that can work around Petry+Allen (50% retention) for Mrazek+Dermott+futures.

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Petry
Sandin - Liljegren/Lyubushkin

I don't see how Toronto could fit in Petry with his longer contract, though.

 

[FerrisRox]

Why are habs fans and leaf haters obsessed with wanting the leafs to trade a first for charot?

So they could laugh on the internet? Doesn't that mean charot isn't actually worth a first? Make up your mind guys!

I don't really care where Montreal trades him, but I think he would be an outstanding addition to the Maple Leafs and give them some much needed toughness on the blue line but also his skating ability would fit well with that team and his underrated shot might mean he would contribute more offensively than most people expect.

I think he is exactly what the Maple Leafs are lacking on their blue line.

 

[FerrisRox]

Gio is not exactly soft or easy to play against either. I am not going to undervalue Chiarot because he is a solid D-man but the underlying stats I was checking showed Gio to be a much more effective player.

To me the biggest difference in the return could be dictated by what @pth2 mentioned in regards to salary/cap implications.

I think the Maple Leafs should steer clear of Giordano. His foot speed is problematic and would not fit too well with how the Leafs play hockey.

Chairot has much better mobility and could keep up with the play of the Maple Leafs. I think Giordano would be exposed and targeted by the opposition due to his slow skating and could be taken advantage of.