StevenF1919
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Were Seguin and Wheeler maybe assets? What about Taylor Hall? Phil Kessel? Jordan Eberle?
Chiarelli Should Be Forced To Choose Between POHO or GM If He Stays
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CantHaveTkachev
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after 16 combined seasons, one of them may finally win a playoff game
and its just a funny observation is all...Chia trades talent...but to bad teams!
CantHaveTkachev
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I don't think Nicholson really does anything. He was blabbing on about the temperature of beer and how they were tweaking that lol. Its all about improving the fan experience at Rogers. He seems to be focused on that and talking about the Ice District, not hockey stuff.
Seems to me the plan was to let Chia do whatever he wanted on the hockey side and here we are.
Seems to me the plan was to let Chia do whatever he wanted on the hockey side and here we are.
StevenF1919
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A bunch of minor trades don't negate him trading three superstars during his time in Boston. Just like acquiring Zack Kassian doesn't make the Hall and Eberle trades okay. He's shit at trading.
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I'll admit I'm puzzled by the Stars struggles, but that's the same amount the Oilers have under him at this point too, lol. We'll see how this goes from here on, but I expect that Wheeler will at least add a few this season, and it's looking like Hall's going to the dance as well.
And you also omit the other major trade he made, which was actually a win for him at the time - Kessel - who's now been a major contributor on two cup runs, and IMO deserves a Conn Smythe.
Either way, more to building a team than just grabbing that star forward. The issue all of us have with Chiarelli is that he just keeps throwing them away over and over again for very little gain. At least I suspect he's more fond of the one's he's kept so far for the Oilers - Nuge, Drai, McDavid.
I'd rather have a GM you deem as bad at trading, who has built a Cup winner, win a Cup with the Oilers than a clueless MacT or a Tambo who is unwilling to pull the trigger.
Chiarelli won the cup with the Bruins. Anybody who considers Phil Kessel as a superstar is missing the word.
Stripping him of the POHO role wouldn't do anything. The Edmonton Oilers discuss these moves thoroughly before any moves are made just like every other team. There are dozens of factors that go into these trades so adding a POHO is essentially just pitting another cook in the kitchen. Looking into this off-season, I can't really see the reason why there'd be a significant deal made unless a quality RH defenseman came available for on of Sekera, Russell or Klefbom. And in that instance you make the trade.
It's not about just "stripping" him of the title, it's about installing an actual POHO to watch over him.
We need someone who can protect the franchise if this guy is going to make another bad big trade, someone needs to put a stop to it and veto it if he tries to do it again.
He is also probably desperate at this stage, which is a scary prospect.
In general we need another voice in the room to steer him away from bad gambles and to stay on him for lazy management in other areas (no clear goalie back up in 3 years?).
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curious to read posts this time next year if we are in the playoffs and Cheiarelli is still the GM
You don't think the owner and Bob Nicholson have a say in what happens in terms of the personnel? These teams have boardroom meetings on the regular discussing prospective deals, options, their direction, salary situation, etc. You have a very unrealistic perspective of how much power and influence a GM has on the on-ice performance of an NHL team.
The Oilers don't really have the need to make a 'big, bad trade' this summer. The greatest need of this roster is internal improvement. Significant turnover would not be beneficial.
I don't think Nicholson really does much of anything. He seems fixated on "fan experience" and Ice District stuff, I think the plan was to let Peter do all the actual hockey stuff.
Secondly, I don't really even know how comfortable I am with Nicholson being the one that has to police Chiarelli. What exactly has he done other than be able to pick a Canadian All-Star team from a pool of 60 great players from Hockey Canada while being flanked by like 8 other hockey minds.
Does he have any experience actually managing/building a team where you can't just choose Crosby, Stamkos, Benn, Thornton, Getzlaf, Doughty, Weber, Price, Luongo, etc.?
We don't know if the Oilers need to do something, we need to be protected in case Peter "gets desperate" again.
CantHaveTkachev
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the point is to build winning teams....to which he did very effectively in Boston...not "win" value on trades...
otherwise, Garth Snow is an excellent GM
I'm pretty sure many people could make a good team out of
Forwards: Krejci, Bergeron, Kessel, Marchand, Lucic, Savard
Goalies: Thomas, Rask
Defence: Chara (stud Pronger like no.1)
This is the group Chia had on day 1 of assuming control of the Bruins from Jeff Gorton (who is the one who drafted Marchand, Lucic, Kessel, and traded for Rask ... he is the real architect).
Mac T or Lowe could also look like a genius if given that on the first day of the job, there are no real big positional weaknesses there, there's even two damn good goalies, lol.
In Edmonton where Chia has not had the benefit of such a complete roster from day 1, he's making far more mistakes and being exposed far more, which makes sense because he never had to do any of this stuff in Boston.
All he did in Boston was add grinder/role players next to their core pieces and get bailed out by a Leafs/Kessel offer sheet (basically) that turned out much better than it should have.
CantHaveTkachev
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other than Nashville cause they've only had one GM, which current GM didn't inherit great pieces?
Chiarelli also inherited a roster with serious problems in the dressing room. Including a superstar who has admitted he refused to listen to the head coaches here.
Yet Chiarelli took the Oilers to the edge of the WCF in his second season here. But somehow gets no credit for that.
What has Jeff Gorton done since taking over the Rangers? Playoff appearances in two seasons out of three but not past the first round. Since Gorton is really responsible for the Bruins cup win shouldn't he have at least reached a conference finals with the Rangers in his three seasons at the helm?
Also all this stuff about the Bruins/Chia being great in the draft ... their draft history under him from the 2nd/3rd/4th/etc. rounds is really not that great.
The best player from outside the 1st round they got under Chia was maybe ... Ryan Spooner? Lowe got Jeff Petry.
The best player from outside the 1st round they got under Chia was maybe ... Ryan Spooner? Lowe got Jeff Petry.
Well what exactly are you expecting from a POHO? You want another GM. A POHO will look at deal and say 'yes' or 'no'. He'll sit in on these discussions and decide as to whether that direction is a positive one or a negative one. There's not a whole lot that will go into that role so honestly, it's pretty redundant. You have the video of the Seguin trade. Who else is in that room making criticizing remarks about him? Chiarelli's boss. That was a decision made by a group of people--one of which is still the President of the Boston Bruins.
And again, no we really don't. We're not in a situation where we desperately need to clear cap or deal for a position of need. This summer should be relatively quiet.
StevenF1919
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Chiarelli has been far, far worse than MacT or Tambo. If either of those two boneheads was left in charge of the team we'd still probably be in a playoff spot right now. It takes a special kind of incompetent to miss the playoffs with a 100+ point/40+ goal Art Ross winner.
Jay Feaster won a cup with the Lightning. I don't give a f*** what Chia did in the past, he's an awful GM and it's telling that Bruins fans hate his guys.
Phil Kessel is 12th in the league in scoring over the past 5 seasons, 16th over the past 3, 8th over the past 2, and 8th this year. If you don't think he's a superstar then you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Yeah, so it's better that he loses value on every trade instead right? You win by acquiring good players, not trading them away. Notice how when Columbus needed a dman and had a very good forward they didn't trade him for Barret f***ing Jackman. Chia is an idiot and anyone still defending him is either a moron or a paid shill working for the Oilers. If you think that he should stick around for another offseason of bold moves you're pretty much cheering for this team to fail.
Bottom line is we're looking at the Bruins, the fact is they were basically prebuilt with everything you need at every position, even two freaking good goalies.
He's never had to "work" for a team like he has in Edmonton and honestly it's probably not surprising he's having a hard time with it. He never had to find a no.1 d-man in Boston. This stuff he never had to deal with, he's being exposed here for sure.
Gorton did a good job likely being hyper motivated because he had been passed over and wanted to show everyone he deserved a shot too.
As for the Oilers yes, they had a nice little playoff run last year, but honestly if Joe Thornton and Couture weren't playing with massive injuries, they probably lose in round 1. The Ducks series yes they did get screwed on video review calls, but if we're honest, they were also outplayed for a majority of that series.
StevenF1919
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Lowe acquired like four top pairing dmen while he was here and Chia has yet to acquire even one.
Wow. Just wow.
MacT was clueless and out of depth as a GM. Nobody can seriously think MacT was anything but an absolute train wreck as a GM. MacT hiring of Eakins is probably the worst decision an Oilers GM has ever made.
What do you mean being passed over? You have said that Chiarelli didn't build the Bruins team he won the cup with despite being GM of the Bruins for five seasons. Gorton was GM of the Bruins before Chiarelli. If Gorton was the guy who 'really' built the Bruins why can't he repeat that success with the Rangers?
If Chia, or the next Oilers GM, wins the Cup who gets credit for that? Tambo?
CantHaveTkachev
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of course...cause they've shown the ability to improve a team....
you win by building a good team, or you end up like the NY Islanders
a collection of good players but a terrible team
CantHaveTkachev
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Wow. Just wow.
MacT was clueless and out of depth as a GM. Nobody can seriously think MacT was anything but an absolute train wreck as a GM. MacT hiring of Eakins is probably the worst decision an Oilers GM has ever made.
What do you mean being passed over? You have said that Chiarelli didn't build the Bruins team he won the cup with despite being GM of the Bruins for five seasons. Gorton was GM of the Bruins before Chiarelli. If Gorton was the guy who 'really' built the Bruins why can't he repeat that success with the Rangers?
If Chia, or the next Oilers GM, wins the Cup who gets credit for that? Tambo?
The Bruins chose not to promote Gorton. He took that as a challenge obviously and basically GM-ed his ass off.
In one draft he picked Kessel, Marchand, and Lucic and then the same week he trades for Tukka Rask.
You tell me if that isn't a GM working his ass off.
Chia did not build a large chunk of that Bruins teams. That's simply reality, if want to talk reality then it should be acknowledged.
Beregeron, Krejci, Marchand, Lucic, Kessel, Rask, Thomas, were there already because of Gorton and the previous Bruins GM.
I'll give him some credit for Chara, but this is really not a repeatable/reliable management strategy, he used his position as Ottawa Assistant GM to poach Chara. That doesn't work for us unless there's a 28 year old Chara heading to UFA this summer that he can exert similar influence on.
