Chiarelli Should Be Forced To Choose Between POHO or GM If He Stays

Soundwave

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It's not a "fire Chia" point, and it always gets drowned out in the Fire Chia thread anyway, but *if* he stays, he should not be allowed to keep both the President Of Hockey Ops (POHO) AND General Manager positions.

There has to be some accountability here at some point, no one with his track record for the last 4 years as GM (3 years out of the playoffs) should be able to run an organization with both roles unchallenged. He should be forced to give up one of those positions.

If he wants to stay the President Of Hockey Ops, fine, then we go find a new GM that can handle trades, contract negotiations, and other day to day details that Chiarelli is poor at. Chia can focus on more general things and working with Keith Gretzky on scouting.

If he wants to stay the General Manager, then fine, we bring in an experienced hockey person to be the new President of Hockey Ops. Chia has to get permission from that person to make any major trade or contract signing and the POHO should have the authority to override him if the deal is stupid.

That is more than fair IMO. He should not be allowed to keep both positions after 2/3 years out of the playoffs here and not even close this year, you can't as a franchise just gift away both positions and let someone run them with no oversight when you are at this point.
 

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The only way this works is if he chooses GM. He needs to be working under someone who will prevent him from making stupid signings and trades.

If it came down to GM or POHO he would choose the latter. He was only coming to Edmonton if he got full authority.
 
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Wonder if that option is open to him. He was hired to do both jobs. The last time a NON ex Oiler asked for help he was replaced by Dallas Eakins.
 
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Chia having both positions basically gives him a blank cheque to do what he pleases. From his body of work, he doesn't deserve it.
 

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I'm just sick of MacTavish and Lowe and all the f***ing old boys in the organization. They're literally never going to leave because at this point people have brushed them aside into more minor roles but they still have an impact on decision making. Chiarelli is a Nicholson old boy. For once I would just love to see a full on interview process done rather than hiring right away. If you neuter Chiarelli like we did MacTavish he will still be in the org many years from now just like the other old boys.
 
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Chia should be forced to lick some white dog poop. How does this guy not just retire in shame from what he's had to watch this season?
 
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Chiarelli should be fined for the entirety of his contract value for attempted sabotage of the organization and then fired. He is the single most harmful executive to ever enter the Oilers organization, and we've had Kevin Lowe/Craig MacTavish/Steve Tambellini ****ing things up for the past decade.
 
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He shouldn't be given the choice. He either stays on as the President in the Brian Burke role and a new GM is brought in to make all the decisions or he's just gone.
 

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He shouldn't be given the choice. He either stays on as the President in the Brian Burke role and a new GM is brought in to make all the decisions or he's just gone.

That would probably be the most prudent thing to do if they can't bring themselves to fire him.
 

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It's truly incredible how everything came together in one season to really see the amount of suck in Chiarelli.

Hall is a contender for the Hart Trophy
Barzal will win calder and be first rookie with 70 points since Malkin
Meanwhile Reinhart went to Vegas for nothing (and can't even make an expansion team)
Lucic in his second year can't make or take a pass

And we are coming off of the biggest disappointment of a season in probably the history of NHL based on expectations.

His three biggest moves already terrible and made worse by our season.
 

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It's truly incredible how everything came together in one season to really see the amount of suck in Chiarelli.

Hall is a contender for the Hart Trophy
Barzal will win calder and be first rookie with 70 points since Malkin
Meanwhile Reinhart went to Vegas for nothing (and can't even make an expansion team)
Lucic in his second year can't make or take a pass

And we are coming off of the biggest disappointment of a season in probably the history of NHL based on expectations.

His three biggest moves already terrible.

As an aside it really does feel like the hockey gods are taking a giant crap on his face, lol.

1 goal for Lucic in 42 games, Hall having a Hart caliber season, Barzal blowing up to win the Calder and being one of the NHL's top point getters, McDavid probably winning the Art Ross in a season where the team misses the playoffs by 15+ points ... lol. Can't even script that.
 
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Trafalgar Sadge Law

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As an aside it really does feel like the hockey gods are taking a giant crap on his face, lol.

1 goal for Lucic in 42 games, Hall having a Hart caliber season, Barzal blowing up to win the Calder and being one of the NHL's top point getters ... lol. Can't even script that.
Heck even the minor moves look terrible considering how good players like Oesterle and Pitlick are looking with their new organizations. Even Matt Hendricks looks rejuvenated and is helping the Jets push for a playoff spot. The hockey gods are doing everything in their power to tell the Oilers to fire this baboon.
 
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Heck even the minor moves look terrible considering how good players like Oesterle and Pitlick are looking with their new organizations. Even Matt Hendricks looks rejuvenated and is helping the Jets push for a playoff spot. The hockey gods are doing everything in their power to tell the Oilers to fire this baboon.
To be fair to Chiarelli, sounds like both Pitlick and Oesterle wanted opportunity elsewhere and walking from Hendricks was definitely the right call last summer.

But yea that just adds to the pile of things to backfire on us.
 

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Since this isn't a "Fire Chiarelli" thread I'm hoping it's not going to be another single-minded circle jerk.

It's understandable that Chiarelli probably won't agree to someone being brought in to 'supervise' his work.

That being said, what is the value of stripping the POHO title from him?

Is the idea of getting someone else to do the POHO job to lighten his workload?

What does Chiarelli do now that the new POHO will do?
 
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Since this isn't a "Fire Chiarelli" thread I'm hoping it's not going to be another single-minded circle jerk.

It's understandable that Chiarelli probably won't agree to someone being brought in to 'supervise' his work.

That being said, what is the value of stripping the POHO title from him?

Is the idea of getting someone else to do the POHO job to lighten his workload?

What does Chiarelli do now that the new POHO will do?

Veto a trade or move if it's an iffy trade. It protects the franchise from getting ripped off in an RNH or Klefbom deal or at least provides a second voice in the room to say "no this isn't a good idea" and keeps Chia in check when making an out there move.
 

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Since this isn't a "Fire Chiarelli" thread I'm hoping it's not going to be another single-minded circle jerk.

It's understandable that Chiarelli probably won't agree to someone being brought in to 'supervise' his work.

That being said, what is the value of stripping the POHO title from him?

Is the idea of getting someone else to do the POHO job to lighten his workload?

What does Chiarelli do now that the new POHO will do?
I agree. First of all this is going to just be another Fire Chia thread. Second, it doesn't really do much to strip one of the titles.
 

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Veto a trade or move if it's an iffy trade. It protects the franchise from getting ripped off in an RNH or Klefbom deal or at least provides a second voice in the room to say "no this isn't a good idea" and keeps Chia in check when making an out there move.

Nicholson would have that authority now so what is the point. POHO merely reaches into the overall organizational needs of Hockey Operations (drafting, development, Minor league teams) whereas the GM concentrates on the management of the parent club only. With Nicholson in his role I fail to see the need for a 3rd layer of management and oversight.
 

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To be fair to Chiarelli, sounds like both Pitlick and Oesterle wanted opportunity elsewhere and walking from Hendricks was definitely the right call last summer.

But yea that just adds to the pile of things to backfire on us.

Same with Versteeg and Foo.
 

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Nicholson would have that authority now so what is the point. POHO merely reaches into the overall organizational needs of Hockey Operations (drafting, development, Minor league teams) whereas the GM concentrates on the management of the parent club only. With Nicholson in his role I fail to see the need for a 3rd layer of management and oversight.

What's Nicholsons title anyways? I legitimately don't know. I actually think Chiarelli would be much better in a POHO role you describe, or as an assistant GM. Either fits his management strengths - organizational management, drafting, development - and gets him away from his weaknesses - trades and contract negotiations.
 

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Veto a trade or move if it's an iffy trade. It protects the franchise from getting ripped off in an RNH or Klefbom deal or at least provides a second voice in the room to say "no this isn't a good idea" and keeps Chia in check when making an out there move.
If the organization felt they needed to veto his trades they’d likely just fire him. I’m pretty sure this is what happened to Mactavish when Nicholson stepped in and put an end to all the trade rumours that were circling at the time. Mactavish wasn’t fired because he’s an ex Oiler but he was done as GM.

I don’t see a scenario where Chiarelli loses his POHO title and remains as GM. If Katz has lost that much faith in him he’ll just be fired. If they feel he needs help maybe they promote one of the many, many front office people to GM. I don’t see them hiring a GM from outside to work under Chiarelli.
 

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Nicholson would have that authority now so what is the point. POHO merely reaches into the overall organizational needs of Hockey Operations (drafting, development, Minor league teams) whereas the GM concentrates on the management of the parent club only. With Nicholson in his role I fail to see the need for a 3rd layer of management and oversight.

If Nicholson has the authority to veto trades don't we need a fire Nicholson thread?
 
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Would be really nice to be in a situation where we have people in management that don't need their stupidity vetoed. Such people do exist. If we hired Shero 3 years ago, we are likely cup contenders right now. He was one of the guys that understood the trend of the league that Chia and the gang are now chasing after (after giving up guys that would have let them achieve it, and loading up with guys that handicap their ability to). Shero loaded up with PMD (with not close to the asset pool Chia started with here), stole an elite fast skilled forward from a dummy, giving up a D that no longer fit what he was trying to create. Sucks that we now have to sit and hope that a guy that has shown he is way behind the curve, and has a history of creating disasters, will suddenly get to the level most of the rest of the league is already at.
 
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