Trade: [CHI/MIN] Jimmy Butler, Justin Patton for Lauri Markkanen, Zach LaVine, and Kris Dunn

[Aladyyn]

People always seem to get over excited when they get a player from their country in a sport when they've never had anyone that good before.

If Jan Veselý was black he'd totally still be in the NBA

 

[Morozov]

People always seem to get over excited when they get a player from their country in a sport when they've never had anyone that good before.

Sean Marks GOAT.

 

[sjsharks92]

Lol

Lauri Markannen might end up being a great NBA player, but he is VERY far from a sure thing. The only thing he does above average is shoot (and he does that exceptionally well). But he isn't very athletic or strong and his defense and rebounding leave a lot to be desired.

And for the love of god, nobody is knocking him because he's white. Personally I preferred Zach Collins over Markannen amongst big men.

 

[Finnpin]

Markkanen is still a prospect and just turned 20 so there is still room to grow in many levels. Remember guys that he has only played one season in US where the game is different compared to Europe/Finland. I think NBA level training and guidance will do good for him.

You dont often see 7 footers shooting like he does. Plus he is mobile for his size. Some Finnish reports have even said that he might be 7'1.

Markkanen earned his spot in the NBA Draft's Green Room. So he isn't WTF pick at 7th-10th range.

But time will tell how this trade and how Markkanen's career goes. Hopefully well!

And one thing is sure that Bulls are now in full rebuild mode and got tons of new fans from Finland!

 

[Voight]

Towns, George, IT

Disagree, PG is better than Butler IMO but not by much.

Anyhow, great trade by the T-Wolves. Seems like a high price but a lot are saying they got him for 50 cents on the dollar and I agree. Thibs is one of the biggest reasons Butler became a two-way star and he should be even better now that he doesn't have to carry the load.

MIN is primed to be the beasts of the east once LBJ leaves/CLE slows down. What a great core they have.

I dunno who they can get to replace Rubio. George Hill?

Thibs will probably sign Rose.

I wouldn't be so sure, D-Rose is coming off what, his 4th major knee surgery? At this point you can barely count on him for 60 games a year.

What a ####### joke of trade

Dunn looks like absolute bust , Lavine messed up his knee didn't he?

And we drafted another high profile "Shooter" who cant do anything else well while giving up Butler and our 1st

I hate GarPax

Reinsdorf's blind loyalty is going to be his undoing.

 

[sjsharks92]

Markkanen is still a prospect and just turned 20 so there is still room to grow in many levels. Remember guys that he has only played one season in US where the game is different compared to Europe/Finland. I think NBA level training and guidance will do good for him.

You dont often see 7 footers shooting like he does. Plus he is mobile for his size. Some Finnish reports have even said that he might be 7'1.

Markkanen earned his spot in the NBA Draft's Green Room. So he isn't WTF pick at 7th-10th range.

But time will tell how this trade and how Markkanen's career goes. Hopefully well!

And one thing is sure that Bulls are now in full rebuild mode and got tons of new fans from Finland!

Yes we all know his age and his height. That coupled with his shooting are the ONLY reasons he was drafted at 7. And I'm not knocking him, he's a very intriguing prospect. But he has tons of work to do if he wants to be anything more than a 3-point specialist in the NBA

 

[MMC]

Disagree, PG is better than Butler IMO but not by much.

Anyhow, great trade by the T-Wolves. Seems like a high price but a lot are saying they got him for 50 cents on the dollar and I agree. Thibs is one of the biggest reasons Butler became a two-way star and he should be even better now that he doesn't have to carry the load.

MIN is primed to be the beasts of the east once LBJ leaves/CLE slows down. What a great core they have.



I wouldn't be so sure, D-Rose is coming off what, his 4th major knee surgery? At this point you can barely count on him for 60 games a year.







Reinsdorf's blind loyalty is going to be his undoing.

But they're in the Western Conference.

 

[Jussi]

But they're in the Western Conference.

If you've seen his posts at the Political Discussion board, you'd know he's not very good with facts.

 

[Asiantuntija]

Now you've confirmed you're completely off your rocker.

Pretty sad this subform is going the way of the soccer one with hot takes being thrown around all the time.

Dirk went 9th overall, Lauri was 7th. Just saying. They don't like these white players that's the way how it always been. Lauri has very athletic body for Basketball and if he would be black people were cheering about his athletism.

What football has to do with this?

By the way fanbase is already starting to cheer for Lauri in Chicago. They found out his highlights from U20 European Championships and also his huge performance against LB & UCLA.

 

[sparxx87]

Dirk went 9th overall, Lauri was 7th. Just saying. They don't like these white players that's the way how it always been. Lauri has very athletic body for Basketball and if he would be black people were cheering about his athletism.

What football has to do with this?

By the way fanbase is already starting to cheer for Lauri in Chicago. They found out his highlights from U20 European Championships and also his huge performance against LB & UCLA.

And? Boogie went 5th, Kwame Brown went 1st... Brown > Cousins?

You have no idea how ridiculous you sound, huh? Again, Porzingis being white hasn't hindered him in the slightest. If you can play, nobody cares. You have a rookie understanding of not only the game, but the culture as well.

Over the years, who are some other 1 tool 7 footers that developed the physical characteristics AFTER being drafted?

Nobody cares where he's from or what he looks like. They care that he lacks key fundamentals for a player of his size and position, and doesn't make up for it with athleticism or IQ - 2 things you can't teach.

Channing Frye is the best comparison I've seen.

 

[Ivan13]

Dirk went 9th overall, Lauri was 7th. Just saying. They don't like these white players that's the way how it always been. Lauri has very athletic body for Basketball and if he would be black people were cheering about his athletism.

What football has to do with this?

By the way fanbase is already starting to cheer for Lauri in Chicago. They found out his highlights from U20 European Championships and also his huge performance against LB & UCLA.

More nonsense.

 

[Asiantuntija]

And? Boogie went 5th, Kwame Brown went 1st... Brown > Cousins?

You have no idea how ridiculous you sound, huh? Again, Porzingis being white hasn't hindered him in the slightest. If you can play, nobody cares. You have a rookie understanding of not only the game, but the culture as well.

Over the years, who are some other 1 tool 7 footers that developed the physical characteristics AFTER being drafted?

Nobody cares where he's from or what he looks like. They care that he lacks key fundamentals for a player of his size and position, and doesn't make up for it with athleticism or IQ - 2 things you can't teach.

Channing Frye is the best comparison I've seen.

You have rookie understand if you don't know that they doubt white players more than everyone else.


It's not about the size it's about the age. Usually 19 year old players improve pretty much. Lauri has huge work ethic so that will help him to improve.

How many times you have seen Markkanen on the floor? He has good basketball IQ and his athleticism is right on top. Lauri can dunk and he also has very much potential in defense. I just can't see the thinks he lacks for real. Of course everyone has something to improve at age of 19.

 

[Asiantuntija]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSMXzPZ4oCs

Here is the video where guy talks about trade and players they get. He has much hopes in Lauri and gives credit about his athletism. Lauri hasn't full grown to his body and it should be pretty clear to see.

 

[sparxx87]

You have rookie understand if you don't know that they doubt white players more than everyone else.


It's not about the size it's about the age. Usually 19 year old players improve pretty much. Lauri has huge work ethic so that will help him to improve.

How many times you have seen Markkanen on the floor? He has good basketball IQ and his athleticism is right on top. Lauri can dunk and he also has very much potential in defense. I just can't see the thinks he lacks for real. Of course everyone has something to improve at age of 19.

They doubt players who lack certain skills or physical attributes, skin colour has nothing to do with it.

He will improve, but his overall ceiling is limited due to things already mentioned. I could dunk at 19, I'm 6'1... hardly impressive as a 7 footer..

Again, you're delusional. Everything you're saying contradicts what all the professionals are saying... I understand you're new to the game and optimism is great.... But realism is also important when assessing or projecting these players.... If he was the player you've been describing, he's easily the 1OA.

 

[sjsharks92]

Dirk went 9th overall, Lauri was 7th. Just saying. They don't like these white players that's the way how it always been. Lauri has very athletic body for Basketball and if he would be black people were cheering about his athletism.

What football has to do with this?

By the way fanbase is already starting to cheer for Lauri in Chicago. They found out his highlights from U20 European Championships and also his huge performance against LB & UCLA.

I'm really happy we have a new NBA fan on these boards. I think that's great that you have a passion for Lauri and this league. But you gotta understand how absurd you sound.

Nobody is bashing Lauri cause he's white. We've all seen plenty of white prospects come and go that we liked and didn't like and not because of their color. People bash Lauri's athleticism because compared to somebody like Kristaps Porzingis (who is, ya know, white) he isn't athletic.

You're hyping Lauri up to have skills that he doesn't have. He isn't that nimble. He hasn't shown much toughness. He hasn't shown the ability to get by even the slowest defenders. He hasn't shown the ability to box out or rebound against other people his size. He hasn't shown the ability to slow down good interior scorers on the inside. He hasn't shown the ability to defend near the perimeter.

I honestly like Lauri as a prospect. I love the idea of a 7 footer being able to knock down 3's. And as a Pac-12 basketball fan I watched him on numerous occasions. But that said, that means I saw TJ Leaf absolutely destroy Lauri in the UCLA-Arizona match ups. I saw Lauri get completely outplayed in the NCAA tournament loss to Xavier. As I said earlier, he has a LONG ways to go if he wants to be anything more than the next Channing Frye.

Lauri's odds at being half the player Dirk was are slim to none. Keep him out of this discussion.

 

[sjsharks92]

They doubt players who lack certain skills or physical attributes, skin colour has nothing to do with it.

He will improve, but his overall ceiling is limited due to things already mentioned. I could dunk at 19, I'm 6'1... hardly impressive as a 7 footer..

Again, you're delusional. Everything you're saying contradicts what all the professionals are saying... I understand you're new to the game and optimism is great.... But realism is also important when assessing or projecting these players.... If he was the player you've been describing, he's easily the 1OA.

Well stated. Nothing wrong with being high on a prospect's future. But declaring Lauri to be the next Dirk and accusing those who disagree of being racist is silly.

I think Jordan Bell is gonna be an awesome player for the Warriors, but I'm not gonna go around telling everyone that they better like him or else!

 

[Asiantuntija]

You're hyping Lauri up to have skills that he doesn't have. He isn't that nimble. He hasn't shown much toughness. He hasn't shown the ability to get by even the slowest defenders. He hasn't shown the ability to box out or rebound against other people his size. He hasn't shown the ability to slow down good interior scorers on the inside. He hasn't shown the ability to defend near the perimeter.

I honestly like Lauri as a prospect. I love the idea of a 7 footer being able to knock down 3's. And as a Pac-12 basketball fan I watched him on numerous occasions. But that said, that means I saw TJ Leaf absolutely destroy Lauri in the UCLA-Arizona match ups. I saw Lauri get completely outplayed in the NCAA tournament loss to Xavier. As I said earlier, he has a LONG ways to go if he wants to be anything more than the next Channing Frye.

Lauri's odds at being half the player Dirk was are slim to none. Keep him out of this discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqIfWJc-LQQ

Lauri scored 29 points against UCLA in PAC-12. I think destroy went to the other way Allonzo Trier aka Mr One-Man Show was the reason why they fall of from tournament.

I've seen Lauri do those think and i really believe he has potential in that category. He plays usually on the perimeter so he doesn't take that much rebounds against guys his size. Anyway his rebounding stats are pretty good for a player who plays on his role. He could get past the defenders that's the way it always been in junior national teams. Other people gives feeds and Lauri just destroys the older players. Watch that video about the trade, he talks about Markkanen and his athletic abilities. Also talks about his high ceiling. He is much more athletic than other shooting power forwards.

Sparxx the difference is that you can't dunk in NBA. Again how many times you've seen Markkanen playing with your own eyes? Probably pretty many if you can make analysis about his ceiling.

 

[sjsharks92]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqIfWJc-LQQ

Lauri scored 29 points against UCLA in PAC-12. I think destroy went to the other way Allonzo Trier aka Mr One-Man Show was the reason why they fall of from tournament.

I've seen Lauri do those think and i really believe he has potential in that category. He plays usually on the perimeter so he doesn't take that much rebounds against guys his size. Anyway his rebounding stats are pretty good for a player who plays on his role. He could get past the defenders that's the way it always been in junior national teams. Other people gives feeds and Lauri just destroys the older players. Watch that video about the trade, he talks about Markkanen and his athletic abilities. Also talks about his high ceiling. He is much more athletic than other shooting power forwards.

Sparxx the difference is that you can't dunk in NBA. Again how many times you've seen Markkanen playing with your own eyes? Probably pretty many if you can make analysis about his ceiling.

My apologies. I confused the Gonzaga-Arizona game with the UCLA match ups (though Markannen only played well in one of those 3 games). Collins and Karnowski ate Markannen alive down low in that one.

Not sure what you mean by his rebounding is pretty good for a player in his role. His rebounding is atrocious for a player in his role and probably the biggest knock on him. As a 7 foot Power Forward, you've got to be able to rebound. Markannen doesn't do that.

You've clearly got your mind made up about him though, so I'll let you live this dream out. I just think you've put yourself in a corner on this one.

 

[Asiantuntija]

My apologies. I confused the Gonzaga-Arizona game with the UCLA match ups (though Markannen only played well in one of those 3 games). Collins and Karnowski ate Markannen alive down low in that one.

Not sure what you mean by his rebounding is pretty good for a player in his role. His rebounding is atrocious for a player in his role and probably the biggest knock on him. As a 7 foot Power Forward, you've got to be able to rebound. Markannen doesn't do that.

You've clearly got your mind made up about him though, so I'll let you live this dream out. I just think you've put yourself in a corner on this one.

7.2 rebounds per game ain't that bad number. Markkanen does do that. I also think that he should improve his low post game but that will definitely happen with his huge work ethic.

Maybe we come back at the discussion after we see how Markkanen does in NBA.

 

[sjsharks92]

7.2 rebounds per game ain't that bad number. Markkanen does do that. I also think that he should improve his low post game but that will definitely happen with his huge work ethic.

Maybe we come back at the discussion after we see how Markkanen does in NBA.

I think that would be for the best.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

By the way fanbase is already starting to cheer for Lauri in Chicago. They found out his highlights from U20 European Championships and also his huge performance against LB & UCLA.

What fanbase?

Cause the Bulls fanbase is pissed off and saying the Bulls are bigger joke then Bears

That says something given what Bears have become

 

[Asiantuntija]

What fanbase?

Cause the Bulls fanbase is pissed off and saying the Bulls are bigger joke then Bears

That says something given what Bears have become

Yes some are but most of fans seems to realize that rebuild is the only option here. Butler is excellent player, but they just had to trade him. Too much money for one player and now was better chance than next season. Resign was never an option. At the end of the day i think three potential player for Butler was pretty good trade for Bulls

 

[sjsharks92]

Yes some are but most of fans seems to realize that rebuild is the only option here. Butler is excellent player, but they just had to trade him. Too much money for one player and now was better chance than next season. Resign was never an option. At the end of the day i think three potential player for Butler was pretty good trade for Bulls

They aren't upset about the team rebuilding. They're upset because the front office got 40 cents on the dollar for Jimmy Butler. This rebuild should've been off to a much better start

 

[Asiantuntija]

They aren't upset about the team rebuilding. They're upset because the front office got 40 cents on the dollar for Jimmy Butler. This rebuild should've been off to a much better start

Yes it was pretty risky trade, but it could also pay off big way. Everyone from these players have potential to success in future. Dunn scored 10 points 16 assists in his last game at Minnesota he is also very solid defender. If LaVine could come back from injury big way he could be excellent weapon in offense.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

What fanbase?

Cause the Bulls fanbase is pissed off and saying the Bulls are bigger joke then Bears

That says something given what Bears have become

What are you talking about?

How dare Bulls fans be upset trading a huge fan favorite that signals the end of an era that consisted of mediocrity.

Bulls fans are happy that the rebuild has finally started. The Bulls just got three lottery picks for Butler and while Butler is the best player in this trade at the moment nobody knows how the trade is going to pan out until it does.

And please, let's stop all the racial comments because it's a weak argument. If you can ball, you can ball. Doesn't matter what color you are. Lauri isn't Shawn Bradley, the guy can shoot for days and is growing into a huge frame while still possessing that shot. For all the naysayer's, Dunn fills the void for a legitimate point while LaVine can shoot and puts up points. This trade for the Bulls isn't that bad.

And as one poster stated, if Lauri was as good as another poster is hyping him, he would have been a runaway 1OA. The guy has some work to do but I like his commitment and dedication. Hopefully he can be the next Dirk, but I'll take a off the bench instant offense type any day, personally. Yeah, he can dunk, but he hasn't dunked yet in the NBA.

And if this was 20 years ago, he wouldn't dunk in the NBA without getting mugged.