Confirmed Signing with Link: [CGY] F Nazem Kadri signs with the Flames (7 years, $7M AAV)

[Muffin]

Nurse has as many ES points as Kadri does this year and has the best +/- on the team at +21
may wanna keep Nurse out of this

Is +/- relevant again? I thought that's a useless stat when talking about McDavid and Draisaitl?

 

[Muffin]

Coleman, Huberdeau, Markstrom, Weegar, and Kadri are all going to be enjoying their retirement contracts come next year. What a mess the Flames are in...

IDK how Treliving still has a job.

The stars aligned for them to rebuild with Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanting out and Bedard draft coming up and they decided to double down and remain mediocre.

Imagine how much better spot they'd be in if they blew it up in the offseason and is in the Bedard sweepstake. Even if they don't win the lottery this is one of the deepest draft in years.

 

[sxvnert]

Kadri ended up settling for 7m after overvaluing himself for weeks. Now the Flames are stuck with this train wreck of a contract.

IDK how Treliving still has a job.

He wont after this season, no matter what happens.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Is +/- relevant again? I thought that's a useless stat when talking about McDavid and Draisaitl?

fine, use ES goal differential...still tops on the team at +17

 

[deckercky]

The stars aligned for them to rebuild with Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanting out and Bedard draft coming up and they decided to double down and remain mediocre.

Imagine how much better spot they'd be in if they blew it up in the offseason and is in the Bedard sweepstake. Even if they don't win the lottery this is one of the deepest draft in years.

Yeah....imagine a world where Calgary doesn't sign Kadri (so doesn't need to dump salary), turns around an flips Huberdeau (would at least return a 1st + good prospect) and Weegar (likely returns another 1st). Calgary could have easily had 4 1sts in the draft, along with other assets.

 

[KlefDown]

Is +/- relevant again? I thought that's a useless stat when talking about McDavid and Draisaitl?

nice of you to completely omit the whole "has the same amount of ES points" part of the argument. good one

 

[Muffin]

nice of you to completely omit the whole "has the same amount of ES points" part of the argument. good one

Points are points, wtf cares where they come from? Kadri has 14 points more. If you only want to look at even strength points then all the sudden McDrai doesn't even look impressive at all.

Guess MacKinnon>>>>McDavid. Admitted by Oilers fans.

 

[KlefDown]

Points are points, wtf cares where they come from? Kadri has 14 points more. If you only want to look at even strength points then all the sudden McDrai doesn't even look impressive at all.

Guess MacKinnon>>>>McDavid. Admitted by Oilers fans.
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not sure if you know how to read tables but im happy to give you pointers
68 games > 54 games
35 EVG > 21 EVG
65 EVP > 56 EVP


everyone knows McDrai shine on the PP like no other can in the league and their 5on5 is not their strength at times. not sure what you're trying to prove considering absolutely no one reasonable denies that. unlike your argument about MacKinnon somehow being better because he has a higher EVP/g than Connor? actual totals >>> per game averages

 

[TimeZone]

This aged even worse than I anticipated.

 

[Muffin]

not sure if you know how to read tables but im happy to give you pointers
68 games > 54 games
35 EVG > 21 EVG
65 EVP > 56 EVP


everyone knows McDrai shine on the PP like no other can in the league and their 5on5 is not their strength at times. not sure what you're trying to prove considering absolutely no one reasonable denies that. unlike your argument about MacKinnon somehow being better because he has a higher EVP/g than Connor? actual totals >>> per game averages

He's better because he has a higher points per game average. Really not that difficult? Do you lack common sense? 9 more points in 14 more games?

 

[TimeZone]

Should make the playoffs? Haha

We're pretty easily better than last year. Contracts probably won't age well but that's future us problem.

How exactly? Kadri is extremely unlikely to repeat the same success he had last Season, you lost two 100+ point players and replaced them with one.

Weeger is obviously a nice pick up, but I feel the Flames are most definitely in for regression next season.

This isn't going to end well for the Flames, and I don't think it's going to take more than 2-3 years for that to become blatantly obvious to everyone.

Oops

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Huh...is this a question? They are easily a top 2 team in the Pacific. Lindholm-Kadri-Backlund down the middle is very good. Huberdeau and Mangiapane among others on the wing. Very deep D. Very good goaltending.

What an idiot this guy is.

 

[KlefDown]

He's better because he has a higher points per game average. Really not that difficult? Do you lack common sense? 9 more points in 14 more games?

only in the NHL do players success get discounted because they can be healthy and play every game and average higher time on ice

stats show that when a player plays less games, their per game averages tend to be higher and just because their p/60 is higher doesn't mean it will reflect on their raw point totals if their time on ice increased, in fact its shown that it decreases

actual point production >>>> anything your strawman fallacy arguments can come up with

 

[Muffin]

only in the NHL do players success discounted because they can be healthy and play every game and average higher time on ice

stats show that when a player plays less games, their per game averages tend to be higher and just because their p/60 is higher doesn't mean it will reflect on their raw point totals if their time on ice increased, in fact its shown that it decreases

actual point production >>>> anything your strawman fallacy arguments can come up with

Maybe if you're talking about 10 games vs 60 games. We're talking 68 games vs 54 games.

Sure players come out on fire for the first 10-20 games and put up insane numbers they'll come back down to Earth but we're talking about a 54 games sample size here.

 

[KlefDown]

Maybe if you're talking about 10 games vs 60 games. We're talking 68 games vs 54 games.

Sure players come out on fire for the first 10-20 games and put up insane numbers they'll come back down to Earth but we're talking about a 54 games sample size here.

my brother in christ, there is still a 14 goal difference at 5 on 5 regardless of anything

anyway this is a Kadri thread, no more of this

 

[heretik27]

He's posting career average numbers as a 2C making 7M AAV. This is what he's always been, the question is how well is he going to age relative to the salary cap. I'd say Calgary already anticipated this a bit in their contract negotiations because when he turns 36 his NMC changes to a M-NMC with a 13 team no trade list. The contract isn't really the problem, it's the managements decision to put all their eggs in one basket and keep trying to win without a proven core at a time when rebuilding would have been a good idea. Idk if Calgary's had the same ownership since the Iggy years, but man were they just perpetually stuck in the bubble hovering around a playoff position. Seems like history is repeating itself, too good to fail, too bad to succeed.

 

[ManofSteel55]

He's better because he has a higher points per game average. Really not that difficult? Do you lack common sense? 9 more points in 14 more games?

I thought you said points were points.

 

[sepHF]

this thread is hilarious lol

like I said in this thread at the time...signing a 32 year old player on an outlier season to a retirement contract was risky as hell

and he's not getting any younger or better...

woof what an awful contract, but Treliving's ego got in the way

you have to pay up to get free agents to sign in Alberta

you're an oilers fan, you know this

 

[Oilhawks]

Points are points, wtf cares where they come from? Kadri has 14 points more. If you only want to look at even strength points then all the sudden McDrai doesn't even look impressive at all.

Guess MacKinnon>>>>McDavid. Admitted by Oilers fans.
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You’re being purposefully obtuse to argue that a retirement contract for a guy you’re a fan of is anything but an ugly contract. Come on. Even most Flames fans think this was a junk signing at this point.

 

[Muffin]

You’re being purposefully obtuse to argue that a retirement contract for a guy you’re a fan of is anything but an ugly contract. Come on. Even most Flames fans think this was a junk signing at this point.

Not really, I called out Calgary pretty hard in the post before. Glad the Avs dodged that bullet.

 

[Oilhawks]

Not really, I called out Calgary pretty hard in the post before. Glad the Avs dodged that bullet.

Okay, so are you trying to argue that Nurse is as bad of a contract as Kadri’s then?

Edit: just don’t see the point of whataboutism for the +/- thing when you agree that Kadri’s contract sucks. Pretty much every Oilers fan agrees that Nurse is overpaid, but he’s far more valuable to his team for his price point than Kadri is as an aging second line centre making first liner money. I’m pretty sure that’s what @CantHaveTkachev point was, whatever cherry picked stats anyone wants to use to argue for or against aside

 

[Russell Sprouts]

Bad person... bad contract. Bad.

 

[Linds]

Aleady going down hill and its only year 1 of that contract

 

[the_fan]

Bad person... bad contract. Bad.

Why is he a bad person?

 

[MessierII]

Why is everyone so down on him? He’s playing fine. This is what he is.