Speculation: Carolina Hurricanes Hall Of Fame

[Svechhammer]

f***ing hell, I missed an important one that should be included in the Canes Hall of Fame

Tim Gleason

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

At some point - Hamilton the Pig

 

[WreckingCrew]

At some point - Hamilton the Pig

Wow, way to be bitter over his departure for more $$$...rude name-calling

 

[VibesAlive]

Josef Vašíček - just because it's right for him to be there, also posthumously. He was a big part of putting the Canes on the map in '02.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Thinking it through, here's how I would do it. I'm choosing 2 per year because I think 3 is too many.

2023 - Brind'amour, Francis, Wesley
2024 - E. Staal, Ward
2025 - Rutherford, Williams
2026 - Irbe, Karmanos
2027 - Forslund, Tracy
2028 - Cole, J. Staal (after he retires)
2029 - Gleason, Tatomir
2030 - Jokinen, Maurice
2031 - O'Neill, Whitney
2032 - Kapanen, Skinner
2033+ hopefully we have some newer guys coming up for eligibility by then

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Is there a hall of shame associated with it too? Darling and Abby are my picks for player/non player

 

[Daeavorn]

Joe Giglio just said on the radio that Ron is the one keeping Rod out of the HoF and he doesn't want Ron in the HHoF.

Does anyone know what hes talking about?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Thinking it through, here's how I would do it. I'm choosing 2 per year because I think 3 is too many.

2023 - Brind'amour, Francis, Wesley
2024 - E. Staal, Ward
2025 - Rutherford, Williams
2026 - Irbe, Karmanos
2027 - Forslund, Tracy
2028 - Cole, J. Staal (after he retires)
2029 - Gleason, Tatomir
2030 - Jokinen, Maurice
2031 - O'Neill, Whitney
2032 - Kapanen, Skinner
2033+ hopefully we have some newer guys coming up for eligibility by then

I think it’s only 1 player and 1 contributor per year

 

[tarheelhockey]

Joe Giglio just said on the radio that Ron is the one keeping Rod out of the HoF and he doesn't want Ron in the HHoF.

Does anyone know what hes talking about?

NGL, that sounds like bs to me.

I think it’s only 1 player and 1 contributor per year

I like it even better that way. There’s realistically no way the org adds a HOF level player every year, so adding multiple would cause us to run out of qualified inductees pretty quickly. Also, 1+1 encourages recognition for folks like Wally and Tripp who might get squeezed out otherwise.

 

[ONO94]

For contributors, Chuck Kaiton and who was the Ice guy that passed away? And Stormy

 

[DaveG]

Joe Giglio just said on the radio that Ron is the one keeping Rod out of the HoF and he doesn't want Ron in the HHoF.

Does anyone know what hes talking about?

I don't buy it.

Ron is on the selection committee but there are other voices on there far more likely to not be in favor imo

 

[A Star is Burns]

I'm very mixed on how I feel about Ronnie at this point, but I don't particularly believe that. Granted, I feel like their have been hints at the politics of the situation, so it could be plausible. But I'd want a way better source.

 

[cptjeff]

Contributor #1 is a tough one…

I think JR is probably the right call but there’s a lot of great candidates.

I'd probably go with Skip Cunningham for that one. Kinda think he should be an automatic with the retired number players, even.

 

[WreckingCrew]

What year does Dave Ayers go in?

 

[DaveG]

I'm very mixed on how I feel about Ronnie at this point, but I don't particularly believe that. Granted, I feel like their have been hints at the politics of the situation, so it could be plausible. But I'd want a way better source.

Right. Ron definitely has a legit beef with the Canes at this point, but to the point that he would take it out on one of the guys that was one of his best friends in the league? I don't see it.

 

[cptjeff]

Right. Ron definitely has a legit beef with the Canes at this point, but to the point that he would take it out on one of the guys that was one of his best friends in the league? I don't see it.

Yeah, Rod has said he's not in due to politics, but I really doubt it's Ron. My suspicion is something to do with how vocal he's always been willing to be about the league's shortcomings in private and in public, going back at least to the lockout and in the current era with the refs. There have been some rumblings that Bettman took him grabbing the cup and skipping the photo op as a massive insult as well.

Or maybe it's that he concussed Lindros with that folding chair, but given the circumstances, I don't think anyone holds that against him. That alone probably gets him Brian Burke's vote every time.

 

[Rad ChaLose]

I have no idea why this rings a bell but wasn’t the scuttlebutt that the Peters situation caused a rift between Francis and RBA?

 

[tarheelhockey]

If there's any way in which Ronnie might be a barrier to Rod's induction, it might be that he's not loud enough about going to bat for his buddy. It really seems the HHOF operates along the lines of certain guys boosting for their favorites until they get in, which is how we get silly stuff like Housley getting inducted ahead of Makarov, or Carbonneau getting inducted at all. You can almost draw a straight line between controversial inductees and their golfing buddies on the committee, while the ones conspicuously left on the sidelines are the Turgeon types who have an argument on paper but rubbed people the wrong way.

I could see a scenario where Rod could get in if he had an advocate on the committee who would pound the table and badger people for votes. But I have a very hard time imagining that kind of energy coming off of Ron Francis, not out of maliciousness but out of simply not being that kind of guy.

 

[cptjeff]

If there's any way in which Ronnie might be a barrier to Rod's induction, it might be that he's not loud enough about going to bat for his buddy. It really seems the HHOF operates along the lines of certain guys boosting for their favorites until they get in, which is how we get silly stuff like Housley getting inducted ahead of Makarov, or Carbonneau getting inducted at all. You can almost draw a straight line between controversial inductees and their golfing buddies on the committee, while the ones conspicuously left on the sidelines are the Turgeon types who have an argument on paper but rubbed people the wrong way.

Another excellent case in point: Kevin Lowe.

 

[Bub]

If there's any way in which Ronnie might be a barrier to Rod's induction, it might be that he's not loud enough about going to bat for his buddy. It really seems the HHOF operates along the lines of certain guys boosting for their favorites until they get in, which is how we get silly stuff like Housley getting inducted ahead of Makarov, or Carbonneau getting inducted at all. You can almost draw a straight line between controversial inductees and their golfing buddies on the committee, while the ones conspicuously left on the sidelines are the Turgeon types who have an argument on paper but rubbed people the wrong way.

I could see a scenario where Rod could get in if he had an advocate on the committee who would pound the table and badger people for votes. But I have a very hard time imagining that kind of energy coming off of Ron Francis, not out of maliciousness but out of simply not being that kind of guy.

Baseball HOF Veterans Cmte was (still is?) notorious for this.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I'd imagine the politics of Rod's situation really boils down to him either being way too handsome to be on one of those plaques in the HHOF, or the fact they think he'll make them look bad with how chiseled he still is.

 

[Vagrant]

I wonder if Francis felt a bit like RBA pushed up against his leadership being such a strong and outspoken leader while Francis was more lead by example. I didn't notice any rift, but it is interesting that it took Ron leaving town for RBA to get a head coaching position and in comes Dundon and hands it to him right away and obviously wasn't wrong about it. I do think, perhaps in recent years, Ron didn't take kindly to the sidling up that RBA did to Dundon and Waddell when the transfer was happening and Ron was pretty legitimately disrespected and told to go home. There was a lot of pushback from the old boys network about that move and they may have pegged RBA a Benedict Arnold for so proactively aligning himself and not vouching to keep Francis around in at least some capacity. Dundon came in and tossed several HOF type guys out on their ass unceremoniously in Kaiton, Forslund, and Ron. One thing that has struck me during all this Tripp drama is how loud the silence is from John. I don't think the relationship was as close as we might have assumed. Perhaps another casualty of what was assumed to be misplaced loyalty. Once both started to be more active on Twitter, I assumed they would banter quite a bit and there's been none of that at all.

It's honestly just a matter of when for RBA at this point. I think the case is too compelling as he adds coaching achievements to deny him entirely. If you captain a team to a Cup and win the Jack Adams and the Selke twice... at what point does the the snub start to become too obvious?

 

[MinJaBen]

I'd imagine the politics of Rod's situation really boils down to him either being way too handsome to be on one of those plaques in the HHOF, or the fact they think he'll make them look bad with how chiseled he still is.

The real reason he is not yet in the Hall is because he insists his plaque be one of his abs instead of his face. All the other guys are too embarrassed by the comparison to let him in.

 

[Svechhammer]

It's honestly just a matter of when for RBA at this point. I think the case is too compelling as he adds coaching achievements to deny him entirely. If you captain a team to a Cup and win the Jack Adams and the Selke twice... at what point does the the snub start to become too obvious?

If Brindy played for a Canadian team or someone like the Rangers, Red Wings, or Pens, he'd already be in. But because he did all this for the Carolina Hurricanes, there are still broad debates on whether or not he should even be considered.

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

One thing that has struck me during all this Tripp drama is how loud the silence is from John. I don't think the relationship was as close as we might have assumed. Perhaps another casualty of what was assumed to be misplaced loyalty. Once both started to be more active on Twitter, I assumed they would banter quite a bit and there's been none of that at all.

Noticed this as well over the past couple years. And Tripp never mentioned JF in all his thanking people who reached out to him, etc. during his recent struggles.