Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] Canes match MTL Offer Sheet for Sebastian Aho (5 years, $8.454M AAV) - Pt.6 | Mod Note in OP

[AslanRH]

I'm entertained by this argument.
Lets have another thread just to hash out whose public statement and actions were PR, whose were lies, and whose were truth.

GMMB - Aho said he wants to play here so I offered an offer sheet to try and make that happen. I was willing to spend a certain amount of assets to bring in an impact player to help the Canadians.

Aho - I was looking for certain things in my next contract with the Hurricanes and did not want drawn out negotiations. The offer sheet presented by Montreal met those conditions. While I felt confident that Carolina would match, if they chose not to I would have been happy to play in Montreal.

Dundon - I was never concerned about the money nor Sebastian's desire to play in Carolina. While we were hoping for a longer extension, we are pleased to have Aho for 5 more years.

Johannson - I will say and do anything to ensure my client gets what he wants. I should check with Brayden to see if he has rethought that offer sheet refusal.

Should be easy.

Ready Go!

 

[Roboturner913]

I understand it. Plenty. Aho signed one to play in Montreal for 8.54 million.

You do realize that the first word here is CONTRACT offer sheet right?

Did you read though?

The offer sheet is an irrevocable document containing the terms of a standard contract a player signs with a team other than his own. It contains the principal terms of a contract, including length and salary compensation.

It contains the principal terms of a contract, but in and of itself, is not a contract. It couldn't be a contract, because if it were, the second the player signed it he would be beholden to that team.

The fact that another team held right of first refusal negates that, meaning that by its very definition, it is NOT a contract. Because you cannot be under contractual obligation to two teams at the same time.

This is not really difficult stuff here, I don't know why you're trying to pretend that Sebastian Aho signed an actual contract with the Canadiens when everybody here understands an offer sheet is not the same thing as a contract.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Unsure what the debate is. Everyone is looking out for their best interest.

MB won't say "Aho still loves Carolina but will come here if he needs to"

Aho won't say "WTF, why did you match?"

The list goes on and on. I think when you sign an offer sheet you are prepared to move on(if need be) but its far different than demanding a trade which makes it certain you will.

 

[Cane mutiny]

When did he say that? During the dropped conference call?

Sorry you missed his post signing tweet.

 

[Lurk Muller]

A player signing with another team...that gm specifically coming out and saying the player wanted to come to Montreal. The agent who is Paid by the player to publicly speak on his behalf said that the player “100 percent” wants to play in Montreal.

Yep that’s very fantastical thinking.

Yes. Quite fantastical that the GM of Montreal would be adamant someone wants to play with them. So you're saying that MB has no reason to lie but that Aho is definitely lying about his motivations.

"I think that Sebastian 100 percent wants to play in Montreal," Johannson told Marc Antoine Godin of The Athletic. "He wouldn't have signed an offer sheet if he didn't want to play in Montreal."

That's the only comment I've found from his agent which has a completely different tone than you're making it out to be. He even prefaced the comment by saying "i think". Shouldn't he know? Of course Johannson is going to make it sound like he didn't negotiate in bad faith with a GM. Would Aho be happy playing in Montreal? Probably. Would he sign a team friendly AAV that keeps him in Raleigh for 5 years if he wanted out? Probably not.

Why did he sign an easy to match offer sheet if he wanted out? Wouldn't he ask for a trade? If his agent is willing to go out in public and say he wants to play in Montreal, wouldn't he also be willing to publicly demand a trade if Aho was that upset at how things were progressing?

 

[caniac247]

To protect the asset to trade? To save face? To set a precedent?

Because he said he had the money and it’s not a big deal to him?

Why would the player agent and gm of another team say he wanted to come to Montreal?

Was he lying then? Or the agent? Or MB?

If Aho’s agent said hey, he doesnt really want to play for you, but we don’t want to negotiate all summer, will you give us an offer sheet? Of course he’s not. He has to convince MB that he actually has a chance at getting Aho.

You along with a few others believed like MB that Aho wanted out of Carolina and will believe non-facts. His agent said I THINK he wants to play in Montreal. Well sure, in the rare chance it wasn’t matched, you better be ok with going to that team.

But let’s look at the facts:

• Canes wanted 7-8 years; Aho wanted 5 years
• Waddell has said he is prepared to negotiate ALL summer to get his term
• Waddell has said multiple times that they are prepared to match ANY offer sheet

Reading Aho’s response, you can clearly see where he used his ONLY leverage to not be negotiating all summer and possibly be the Nylander of this upcoming season.

Agents lie, that’s their damn job, to get the deal their client wants. So yeah, I’m inclined to believe the agent lied to MB to get him to do the offer sheet.

And as someone else said, if Aho truly wanted out, they wouldn’t have matched. Believe me, Dundon would have come out and said “I was intending to match this os, however, Aho came to me and requested we do not match.” Dundon is not keeping or paying for guys that don’t want to be on this team. When he bought the team in 2018, he said just as much.

The few still hanging on, need to let it go.

 

[Svechhammer]

Some people in here are going to be really annoyed when they read the Atlantic's recent article about the best contracts in hockey, and see that not only do they list Aho in the Top 10, but also say that Montreal should be embarrassed for tendering the offer in the first place.

 

[caniac247]

The offer sheet IS a contract ?
A legally binding agreement. What do you think a contract is?

I’m sure Aho really wanted to put the record straight..... to bad he had technical difficulties during a conference call

I’m sure that was legit

You do know that being on that conference call when it wasn’t officially matched is not the smartest thing right. He was likely scheduled thinking the team was matching right then and there, but since the call ended up just being we intend to match, it was likely decided not to have him.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Some people in here are going to be really annoyed when they read the Atlantic's recent article about the best contracts in hockey, and see that not only do they list Aho in the Top 10, but also say that Montreal should be embarrassed for tendering the offer in the first place.

Why would Montreal be embarrassed that the negotiations in Carolina were going so pitifully that Aho signed this deal either to get out or speed things along.

 

[mashedpotato]

Cats out of the bag. If you're going to OS Aho and strike out, don't stop now....

 

[Blueline Bomber]

With the way the contract is structured, there's almost zero chance Aho doesn't play it out in Carolina. The Canes pay a big chunk of it before he's even allowed to be traded, and the rest of the length of the contract is such a great deal for the level of player Aho is, they'd be fools to trade that away.

 

[tarheelhockey]

With the way the contract is structured, there's almost zero chance Aho doesn't play it out in Carolina. The Canes pay a big chunk of it before he's even allowed to be traded, and the rest of the length of the contract is such a great deal for the level of player Aho is, they'd be fools to trade that away.

Exactly. The only way Aho doesn't play this out in Carolina is if he dramatically underperforms/gets badly injured, in which case it becomes a salary-floor cheat. Some team would pick him up in order to pay him small amounts of money for a large cap hit.

Otherwise it would be ridiculously stupid for the Canes to even consider trading him. You've got a guy who's getting paid a fraction of what his performance would justify.

 

[robertocarlos]

Why is nothing happening now? I can't wait until December. Make a deal today.

 

[Starat327]

Why is nothing happening now? I can't wait until October. Make a deal.

Because despite people hoping this was going to set a barometer for RFA salaries this summer, most people realize that an offer sheet is not in any way, shape or form, a 'real' negotiation to a players worth on an 'open' market. Especially this offer sheet.

 

[robertocarlos]

Because despite people hoping this was going to set a barometer for RFA salaries this summer, most people realize that an offer sheet is not in any way, shape or form, a 'real' negotiation to a players worth on an 'open' market. Especially this offer sheet.

Key word is 'open'. Did you see my edit of "October"?