Seravalli: Canes are going to be aggressive.

[Clode]

Well that was disappointing

 

[Unsustainable]

They offered 6 assets for Meier, but wouldn’t offer Nikishin. Then decided not to be reactionaries to what else was going on.

Yeah it’s disappointing, but we have a lot of cap in the offseason, it would be a shame if we offer sheet young talent.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

Kane/Panarin are pass first guys, I'll give you Kreider since he's been an elite finisher now for 2 years and Tarasenko I'm super iffy on. I think Tarasenko is a good finisher but I'm not sure he'll be able to handle a fast past series against Carolina but we'll see.

Kane and Panarin are definitely not both pass first guys. Since they played for a long time together, with middling 3rd wheels like Anisimov, and amassed a large number of goals. If they play together and light the old flame again, then that's a legit top line with Trochenk.

Tarasenko has always been shoot first. In recent years he has more honed his passing game, and has made it a priority to make those around him better. But he is still a lethal finisher as we saw last year. And he is already gelling with the team after a first few games of uneasiness being shuffled around the lineup.

Canes are barely able to assemble one line of true prolific scorers. The Rangers will potentially have 3, depending on how the kid line does under pressure. And then, you should expect Shesterkin to steal a couple of games in the series. Any way you look at it, if we take 80 of the 100 most likely outcomes, Carolina is toast in the matchup. And they will not fare any better against the NJD either. The only hope they have of advancing is if the Devils and Rangers beat each other first.

 

[Ovi895]

Kane and Panarin are definitely not both pass first guys. Since they played for a long time together, with middling 3rd wheels like Anisimov, and amassed a large number of goals. If they play together and light the old flame again, then that's a legit top line with Trochenk.

Tarasenko has always been shoot first. In recent years he has more honed his passing game, and has made it a priority to make those around him better. But he is still a lethal finisher as we saw last year. And he is already gelling with the team after a first few games of uneasiness being shuffled around the lineup.

Canes are barely able to assemble one line of true prolific scorers. The Rangers will potentially have 3, depending on how the kid line does under pressure. And then, you should expect Shesterkin to steal a couple of games in the series. Any way you look at it, if we take 80 of the 100 most likely outcomes, Carolina is toast in the matchup. And they will not fare any better against the NJD either. The only hope they have of advancing is if the Devils and Rangers beat each other first.

Do you remember who the Blues added at the deadline the year they won it all? Me neither. Vs the years they added Miller, Bouwmeester or Leddy?

Historically the teams that win are the ones that make small/medium tweaks that hit the spot vs the ones making a big splash. Capitals overpaid to snag the biggest deadline fish of 2017 in Shattenkirk and the team got worse. 2018 they add Kempny to plug a hole and win it all. The years Tampa won they added depth bottom 6/bottom pairing players, whereas the year they got the biggest deadline fish in McDonagh they fell short. Colorado is the only recent team to win with relatively high profile additions but even Manson and Lehkonen are closer to the Gostisbehere/Puljujarvi tier than Kane or Tarasenko

 

[Ovi895]

Just stop it.

Sure, just tell me how Chychrun was better than Ghost last season

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

For as much as the Canes get labeled a regular season team, they're elite defensively/above average offensively, not the other way around (how that tag is usually applied). The Canes are #2 in GA/G in 22-23. They were #1 in 21-22 and #5 in 20-21. The core of the team defensively, Staal, Slavin and Pesce, is outstanding.

Tampa and New York had all-time great playoff PPs, which masked pretty even 5v5 play. Tampa was +1 in 21 and New York +3 (all coming in Game 7). If the Canes can avoid running into a PP on a heater this time, which they are not built to counteract, they'll be competitive against every opponent.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Kane and Panarin are definitely not both pass first guys. Since they played for a long time together, with middling 3rd wheels like Anisimov, and amassed a large number of goals. If they play together and light the old flame again, then that's a legit top line with Trochenk.

Tarasenko has always been shoot first. In recent years he has more honed his passing game, and has made it a priority to make those around him better. But he is still a lethal finisher as we saw last year. And he is already gelling with the team after a first few games of uneasiness being shuffled around the lineup.

Canes are barely able to assemble one line of true prolific scorers. The Rangers will potentially have 3, depending on how the kid line does under pressure. And then, you should expect Shesterkin to steal a couple of games in the series. Any way you look at it, if we take 80 of the 100 most likely outcomes, Carolina is toast in the matchup. And they will not fare any better against the NJD either. The only hope they have of advancing is if the Devils and Rangers beat each other first.

That was almost 6-7 years ago and they have looked abysmal with Trocheck in the first 2 games of that experiment. How are you roasting the Hurricanes about being bad in the playoffs when their 3C last year is arguably the 2C for the team's tires you're currently pumping?

 

[bleedgreen]

No it

JT Miller was. A trade involving Miller for KK+ futures would have worked.

No, it really wouldn’t have.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

No it

No, it really wouldn’t have.

Maybe though

 

[Diogenes92]

Don't think the Canes did enough to compete with Boston/Tampa.

Not replacing Patches was a mistake, imo.

 

[God]

Seemed like they kept trying to "win trades" instead of making their team better. Maybe they had a similar evaluation as Detroit and didn't think this was their year.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Narrator: they were not

 

[Patdud]

Narrator: they were not

 

[samsagat]

They were agressive like a Hurricane... generated by a 8" battery powered foot fan...

 

[CamPopplestone]

I don't think it's a bad thing. Canes are still going to be a good team next season, and they'll have cap space to work with in the off-season, as well as assets to trade, while the rest of the conference blew it's load this season

 

[MBH]

For as much as the Canes get labeled a regular season team, they're elite defensively/above average offensively, not the other way around (how that tag is usually applied). The Canes are #2 in GA/G in 22-23. They were #1 in 21-22 and #5 in 20-21. The core of the team defensively, Staal, Slavin and Pesce, is outstanding.

Tampa and New York had all-time great playoff PPs, which masked pretty even 5v5 play. Tampa was +1 in 21 and New York +3 (all coming in Game 7). If the Canes can avoid running into a PP on a heater this time, which they are not built to counteract, they'll be competitive against every opponent.

Regular season hockey, baby.
Over the previous three regular seasons, Carolina is second in regular season GAA.
Over the three playoffs, they're 9th.
While good teams lower their GAA in the playoffs, Carolina's increases slightly (on average).
I think this is a make or break playoffs for Ron Brindamour.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Often the teams that are the most aggressive aren’t the big winners of the TDL. The key is to get a player or two who fills a hole and of course to add depth to cover for injuries. Carolina still looks like a top favourite to me.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Regular season hockey, baby.
Over the previous three regular seasons, Carolina is second in regular season GAA.
Over the three playoffs, they're 9th.
While good teams lower their GAA in the playoffs, Carolina's increases slightly (on average).
I think this is a make or break playoffs for Ron Brindamour.

Definitely not. Ron’s job is very much safe.

 

[MBH]

Definitely not. Ron’s job is very much safe.

So if they duck out in the first round - you're not saying, "Why does a team that goes .700 in the regular season struggle so badly in the playoffs?"

The canes play a run-and-gun possession style that crushes in the regular season - because they have the puck all the time.

But it doesn't translate so well in the playoffs.

I wonder if at some point the franchise might want to win.

 

[bleedgreen]

They were going to be aggressive to get Meier, and they were there. SJ liked the other offer better. After that was irrelevant, there was nothing left to be aggressive with that made sense for the team. They need a 2C, and there really wasn’t a good one available. They weren’t going to do a significant rental, that’s not what they mean by aggressive. They were only going to spend assets on term.

Ghost is a better fit than Chychrun. Ghost can run the second pp and give overall depth which is what the d needed, not another stud. We wouldn’t fit Chychrun and his salary long term without losing other key D. Pool party adds depth to the bottom six which is always a good idea and expected to happen.

Big spending at the deadline rarely works, I like our filling in depth approach. If Patches hadn’t gotten hurt and left more space available this is exactly the deadline we were expecting. We’re a good team, we didn’t need to add much. Hopefully a second center shakes loose in the summer.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The stats don’t match the narrative that their style doesn’t work in the postseason. Per NST…

Regular Season 5v5 GA(20-21 and 21-22): 2.02

Playoff 5v5 GA/60 (20-21 and 21-22): 2.01

It’s special teams that the team has struggled with.

Regular Season PK GA/60 (20-21 and 21-22): 4.57

Playoff PK GA/60 (20-21 and 21-22): 9.55

After watching the best penalty killer in the world, Vasilevskiy, get lit up by the Rangers and Avalanche, two of the best playoff PPs ever, I’m not sure there’s anything to attribute blame to other than bad timing for Carolina. A hot PP may just outexecute a PK.

 

[bleedgreen]

So if they duck out in the first round - you're not saying, "Why does a team that goes .700 in the regular season struggle so badly in the playoffs?"

The canes play a run-and-gun possession style that crushes in the regular season - because they have the puck all the time.

But it doesn't translate so well in the playoffs.

I wonder if at some point the franchise might want to win.

After missing the playoffs for a decade we are pretty happy just being in the playoffs to some extent as anything can happen once you’re there. That does qualify as winning. The cup is a random mix of luck, chemistry, hot goaltending and health. It’s rarely because you added a scoring winger. Dundon said himself he didn’t think anyone was available that really moved the needle for the team, that would make the difference between winning and losing. He said that in the same interview everyone is taking the “aggressive” statement from. All he said there was that we’re in a time we’re we will probably be more aggressive than not, though I suspect he meant overall and not just this deadline. People Love their narratives though. I listened to the whole interview when it came out and wasn’t expecting anything from this deadline other than maybe Meier. What happened wasn’t a surprise. Some Canes fans get worked up watching everyone else but the management has a clear pattern and they followed it. We primarily build in the summer.

 

[TLEH]

one team wins the cup every year. saying big spending doesnt work is kind of true, but you could say that about any spending

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

They offered 6 assets for Meier, but wouldn’t offer Nikishin. Then decided not to be reactionaries to what else was going on.

Yeah it’s disappointing, but we have a lot of cap in the offseason, it would be a shame if we offer sheet young talent.

Is there a rumour as to who/what those 6 assets were ?

 

[tapi]

The Canes always disappoint in this way. It has been proven beyond doubt that Aho, Svechnikov and co, while good, are not the kind of guys you can rely on to carry the team to a potential Cup run. Good regular season team but no dice in the playoffs, they needed a big addition. It is a shame they wasted all those picks just to spite the Habs, could have proven crucial when spent wisely on a crucial addition.