Calling out Ovi

[Lafleurs Guy]

That's because Doughty's won 2 cups early in his career.

If McDavid can't get passed round two 13 years into his NHL career, he'll be flamed as well.

And if he plays as well as OV has in most of his postseason series that will be undeserved as well.

 

[razor8]

Ovie had a good game last night and from what I've seen he's had a good series. The problems for the Caps go beyond Ovechkin IMO.

Absolutely. It's a team thing, but Ovechkin is a part of the team and is the captain of said team. He shares the blame, although he's not the main reason.

 

[txpd]

Its a team game. In g2 he scored 2 goals and they lost. He's a loser because he didn't score a hat trick? You choked because you only scored 2?
They win g3. He makes 2 nice passes that lead to goals and calls the switch for the ppg. Yet he is just a one dimensional player. It would be nice for the Caps to have some playoff success because I am curious what the next chapter of Ov hate will look like.

 

[bur and 666 others]

Unfortunately for Ovie, if it's fair to him or not, he must be absolutely better. Panarin has outplayed him so far, he needs to much mire better, not only 2 PPG, but more, if he wants to pass the jackets, let alone to get out of the second round. The team is not that good, so we need a miracle and Ovie needs to be this miracle unfortunately.

 

[Sam Spade]

Unfortunately for Ovie, if it's fair to him or not, he must be absolutely better. Panarin has outplayed him so far, he needs to much mire better, not only 2 PPG, but more, if he wants to pass the jackets, let alone to get out of the second round. The team is not that good, so we need a miracle and Ovie needs to be this miracle unfortunately.

It takes a lot more than one player in the NHL. Doesn't matter what Panarin or Ovechkin do (see 2009 for proof) if other players don't step up at critical times your team will not win.

 

[Hal 9000]

Absolutely.

Also worth noting that this was his SEVENTH Richard trophy. That is absolutely insane.

You may not have said it but a lot of folks said the same thing about Yzerman... now he's considered one of the best leaders ever. You're saying Lindros didn't win because he wasn't a leader? Come on.

For many, you're never considered a leader until you win. OV is absolutely good enough to be the best player on a cup winning team. He's far better than many of the best players on previous winners and would be the best on many future cup winners as well.

Just because he hasn't won a cup (and may never win) it doesn't mean he's not a leader or good enough to be the best player on a cup winning team. Connor McDavid might not win, same with Tavares. There are 30+ teams in the league now. Inevitably some great players aren't going to be able to win cups.

The whole idea of "leadership" is misplaced in my opinion. Guy Lafleur was never considered "the leader" of his dressing room but he was the best player on those teams. Patrick Kane was the best player on those Hawk winning teams and he's not going to win any "leadership" awards. But I'd want either one of those guys leading the way for my team because they LEAD their teams to cups. But note that they were on powerhouse teams, otherwise they might never have won anything.

Your last paragraph kinda explains it. Lafluer and Kane are great players, but complimentary players. That’s what Ovechkin is, a complimentary player. As is Kessel and Stamkos. Problem is, he’s forced into being the centerpiece player. Doesn’t work. As I said, put him on another team with a solid core group and he’d tear it up.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

People will look and see oh 4 points I’m 3 games it’s not his fault. He’s still beenawful .He has a lot more he could be doing

 

[Frosty415]

6 points in 4 games is decent

 

[Pip]

6 points in 4 games is decent

but the giveaways

 

[SkinsFan09]

Ovechkin tried twice as hard to pad his goal total in a meaningless game 82 against NJ than he ever has in any postseason game, says it all. As opposed to a guy like Crosby, who could win the Art Ross every year if he wanted to who saves his bedt for the playoffs.

So he cared more than the hat trick vs. PIT in 2009? Correct? Keyboard warriors pretending to know how much someone cares. Rich.

 

[SkinsFan09]

In games when the Capitals are trailing in a series, Ovechkin has 43 points in 32 games.

 

[Varan]

u still calling him out fam?

 

[izzy]

yeah the best goal scorer of all time is a complimentary player

get real

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Thread looks funny now.

 

[GlitchMarner]

As opposed to a guy like Crosby, who could win the Art Ross every year if he wanted to who saves his bedt for the playoffs.

lmao...

So why didn't he save himself for the playoffs in 2007 and 2014 instead of winning the Art Ross in those seasons?

Also, he won the Rocket Richard last season and then won the Conn Smythe as well. It's not like you necessarily can't win individual awards and have playoff success.

 

[GlitchMarner]

Ovi with 2 secondary assists last night. Those shouldn't even count, right?

OTH, they're worth as much as goals, right?

 

[Evincar]

yeah the best goal scorer of all time is a complimentary player

get real

Yeah that is pretty dumb to say.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Your last paragraph kinda explains it. Lafluer and Kane are great players, but complimentary players. That’s what Ovechkin is, a complimentary player. As is Kessel and Stamkos. Problem is, he’s forced into being the centerpiece player. Doesn’t work. As I said, put him on another team with a solid core group and he’d tear it up.

Guy Lafleur was a complimentary player? He's arguably one of the ten best players to ever lace up skates. He might be the best player of the 70s. Three Ross trophies, first player to score six consecutive 50 goal/100 point seasons and led playoff scoring three straight years. Patrick Kane was the best player on three cup winning teams and has a Conn Smythe to go with it.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[GlitchMarner]

People who think Ovechkin doesn't care in the playoffs are clueless. You can tell from how he reacts to goals his team scores that he wants to win. But I'm sure people who don't like him and are looking for ways to justify their opinion will twist those celebrations into something negative like "hot-dogging." Keep looking at your Kim Kardashian pictures while acting like hockey experts on the internet.

 

[txpd]

Unfortunately for Ovie, if it's fair to him or not, he must be absolutely better. Panarin has outplayed him so far, he needs to much mire better, not only 2 PPG, but more, if he wants to pass the jackets, let alone to get out of the second round. The team is not that good, so we need a miracle and Ovie needs to be this miracle unfortunately.

This isn't aging well.

 

[Hal 9000]

Guy Lafleur was a complimentary player? He's arguably one of the ten best players to ever lace up skates. He might be the best player of the 70s. Three Ross trophies, first player to score six consecutive 50 goal/100 point seasons and led playoff scoring three straight years. Patrick Kane was the best player on three cup winning teams and has a Conn Smythe to go with it.

What in the world are you talking about?

I think you'e confusing the term "complimentary player" with "fringe player". This is no insult to Lafleur or Ovechkin, we all know they'e they're great players, that's not the question or the issue at all.
On Pittsburgh, Crosby is the center of the team, the rest are complimentary players, including Malkin. Now, Malkin can be the center of the team, if Crosby is not around, but a guy like Kessel will never be a guy that the team centers on. The Oilers of the 80's had the same scenario with Gretzky, Messier and Kurri. The Oilers of today, moved Taylor Hall, because Hall was the center of the team and they wanted to change that to Connor McDavid. Hall had to go. The Islanders of the 80's had Trottier with Bossy (and many others) as complimentary players. You can look at players like the wings Yzerman or Sakic on the Avs with the complimentary players like Forsberg. Most every team is structured this way and certainly most teams that win the cup.

You mention Montreal. Well, they might be slightly different but through the Lafleur years of the 70's, their team was centered around their veteran players such as Richard and Cournoyer etc. But as good s Lafleur was, he was a complimentary player - so was Shutt.

 

[GlitchMarner]

I think you'e confusing the term "complimentary player" with "fringe player". This is no insult to Lafleur or Ovechkin, we all know they'e they're great players, that's not the question or the issue at all.
On Pittsburgh, Crosby is the center of the team, the rest are complimentary players, including Malkin. Now, Malkin can be the center of the team, if Crosby is not around, but a guy like Kessel will never be a guy that the team centers on. The Oilers of the 80's had the same scenario with Gretzky, Messier and Kurri. The Oilers of today, moved Taylor Hall, because Hall was the center of the team and they wanted to change that to Connor McDavid. Hall had to go. The Islanders of the 80's had Trottier with Bossy (and many others) as complimentary players. You can look at players like the wings Yzerman or Sakic on the Avs with the complimentary players like Forsberg. Most every team is structured this way and certainly most teams that win the cup.

You mention Montreal. Well, they might be slightly different but through the Lafleur years of the 70's, their team was centered around their veteran players such as Richard and Cournoyer etc. But as good s Lafleur was, he was a complimentary player - so was Shutt.

Forsberg was a complementary player? WTF?

 

[Scotty Pucks]

There was absolutely no way in hell the Caps were losing these games in Columbus. Great call, Ovi. No offense to CBJ, but they don’t have the stones to close out this series. They will lose it in 6 now.

Calling out OP.

Where are you, you Obi-Wan Jabroni?

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

OTH, they're worth as much as goals, right?

I was informed by a brilliant poster above that secondary assists aren't meaningful and they shouldn't really count towards your point totals

 

[Evincar]

I think you'e confusing the term "complimentary player" with "fringe player". This is no insult to Lafleur or Ovechkin, we all know they'e they're great players, that's not the question or the issue at all.
On Pittsburgh, Crosby is the center of the team, the rest are complimentary players, including Malkin. Now, Malkin can be the center of the team, if Crosby is not around, but a guy like Kessel will never be a guy that the team centers on. The Oilers of the 80's had the same scenario with Gretzky, Messier and Kurri. The Oilers of today, moved Taylor Hall, because Hall was the center of the team and they wanted to change that to Connor McDavid. Hall had to go. The Islanders of the 80's had Trottier with Bossy (and many others) as complimentary players. You can look at players like the wings Yzerman or Sakic on the Avs with the complimentary players like Forsberg. Most every team is structured this way and certainly most teams that win the cup.

You mention Montreal. Well, they might be slightly different but through the Lafleur years of the 70's, their team was centered around their veteran players such as Richard and Cournoyer etc. But as good s Lafleur was, he was a complimentary player - so was Shutt.

Sorry man but this is one of the worst posts Ive seen on these boards. Malkin, Lafleur, and Forsberg etcare not complimentary players. Hall had to go because the Oilers had McDavid? WTF.

You know a team can have more than one great player right?