He could have had all the ice time in the world in the KHL. It was his choice to go to NA early.
C Vladislav Kamenev (2014, 42nd, NSH; traded to COL)
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His problems are not that he moved to NA, but couple of very serious injuries. He is doing well know, I think that he will become solid NHLer.
A lot of players get injured. It's easy to blame it on the injuries, but he definitely left the KHL too early.
But he actually had two serious long-term injuries. At other time he wasn’t struggling. Now he adjusts to game, tries to get more confidence.
Regarding KHL I can say that he could stay for one or two years more. But I don’t think that he made a bad choice, he got good minutes in AHL. From my point of view, the worst case is when 16 or 17 years old guys that are not top talents, move to CHL.
I can only imagine how amazing Canadian players would be if they went to Russia and benefited from its magical system.
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Staph, please. You know full well as do I he wouldn't have gotten "all the ice time in the world" in Magnitka's system. Not even close to it.
He definitely did get more TOI in the AHL and his progress there was rather nice and steady before the injuries struck.
As debatable as Atas' point is you are missing it completely. The whole argument is those young guys shouldn't go from Russia to Canada (or vice versa for that matter) because the different environment, flipping the whole world upside down, disturbs the development. He isn't saying they grow some magic beans in Russia.
You can read almost every Canadian who came to the KHL saying the game is different, the culture is different, they needed to adjust, etc. And that's grown-ass men saying that. And yet in NA most seem to think it's easy for U20 kids to do that.
However, unlike Atas, I'm not saying nobody should do that. The players and situations are different. And Kamenev was stuck behind established pros on the championship-winning team so one can see why he thought he has a better opportunity to grow in the AHL.
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This is absolutely fair, and I don't disagree.
Given the things Atas says I think my jab wasn't unfair either. I'm not going to write an essay on the subject, his views are set in stone.
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One statistic that is pretty relevant to show he can have a role as an NHL player is his faceoffs, he's winning 55.5% which is pretty good. I think he has an interesting futur as a middle 6 forward.
LOLWUT? He was getting enough ice time with Magnitka years ago. And they are desperate for some fresh blood now and way younger guys than Kamenev are getting ice time. Stop making things up.
Another ignorant post from someone who deliberately or not ignores the beaten to death proper points of the discussion. What do Canadians have to do with anything here?
The thing about the AHL for those Russians is that they become career complementary bottom 6 players there. They don't continue to teach them creativity in the AHL, but systems, defensive responsibility and north-south hockey instead.
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He was getting 9.38 minutes per game. It might just be we understand the meaning of "enough" and "all in the world" differently. Yes, fast forward 5 years and they could really use him. It's like 5 years is a long time in pro hockey. Back in the day, he was very firmly stuck behind Kovar and Filippi so absolute best-case scenario, his TOI would have increased to 12-13 minutes over the next 2 years. While he almost immediately was a top-6, all-situation forward after moving to the AHL.
Kamenev never been top-6 talent. He was middle-6 and he still has a chance te become that type of player. If he stayed in Magnitogorsk, he would continue to play in bottom-6, I don't get it how this is better for his creativity than top-6 in AHL.
If you will see at today's KHL there is not much room for creativity, hockey became much worse in attacking way. There is very limited number of real creative players, especially in bottom lines, because coaches prefer "reliable" wooden soldiers.
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It's not that russian coaches are that much better. It's more that Canadians, Americans, Swedes & Finns aren't as mentally weak as real russians; so having to leave home as teenagers doesn't ruin them
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Like all other russian humor, "it does not translate well"
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It's a riff on my favorite joke from the time I spent in NYC for work, that I heard from this banker who married a russian girl, and since that guy knew my father -- who tries to translate many russian jokes into his version of english -- as well, it was just too perfect:
"How does every russian joke end?...with an awkward silence and the words 'it does not translate well'"
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I'm 3/4ths russian and just 1/4th german, but I was born in Berlin back when there was still a wall separating us from the west and I spent more of my childhood there than I did in Moscow. Which is why I've always felt more german...despite having grown up around and worked with a lot more russians after we came to the US.
So I did get those russian jokes that my dad or this dude's family-in-law would make, 90% of the time...but that's also why I knew that they could not be translated without first spending a couple of hours explaining to americans various nuances of what growing up in the USSR was like
...but that initial post was just my personal brand of smartassery.
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