PuckMunchkin
Very Nice, Very Evil!
That is some serious f***in bias right there.
Both are bad. Miller stopped skating to throw that hissy fit...
Post-Game Talk: Bruins def. Canucks - 4-0 | We don’t talk about Bruin-O.
- Thread starter Mr. Canucklehead
- Start date
Both are bad. Miller stopped skating to throw that hissy fit...
PuckMunchkin
Very Nice, Very Evil!
Wait a minute...
Do you get a mark on your +/- if you get scored on while you are on the man advantage?
Do you get a mark on your +/- if you get scored on while you are on the man advantage?
A short handed goal leads to a plus for and a minus against.
Yes, and you should get -2 when scored on that way
PuckMunchkin
Very Nice, Very Evil!
Holy crap.
I was today days old when I learned this.
I mean its a useless stat. I dont mind if they give -10 for it.
EpochLink
Canucks and Jets fan
Bourne Endeavor
Registered User
Tocchet.... I'm begging you here. Can we please swap Hoglander and Mikheyev? Yes, yes. I know Hoggy has some defensive warts but that's what Lindholm covers!
Seriously though. I just don't think they can keep Mikheyev in the top six any longer. He's decent enough defensively but a complete offensive blackhole. We're far enough in the standing we can experiment with Hoglander a little and see if he can do move.
Seriously though. I just don't think they can keep Mikheyev in the top six any longer. He's decent enough defensively but a complete offensive blackhole. We're far enough in the standing we can experiment with Hoglander a little and see if he can do move.
Buresflyingelbow
VanCity
- Feb 19, 2018
- 2,599
- 1,768
Puck management has been very poor and instead of reacting guys are overthinking it. Guys aren’t skating on the Power Play and are back to being stationary. Hughes is getting pressured up top a lot more and they should almost play 4 guys down low and create a 4-3 with two guys at the sides and 2 in the bumper positions.
Our PP sucks.
Teams know to just play aggressive and up high because the whole PP essentially revolves around Hughes’s puck movement and possession rather than focusing on attacking the net. There’s almost never anyone close to the net within striking distance so we devolve to the high bumper/JT Miller top of the circle wind ups. There’s no shoot mentality. 0 shots in 3 of our 4 PP’s.
Another issue is Hughes holds onto the puck way too long. I counted how long each Boston player had the puck and most of the time, the guys on the PP had the puck on their stick for no longer than 2 seconds. Hughes holds onto the puck and starts stickhandling at the point presumably to assess his own chances and teammates availability but he becomes stationary when he does this. Within 2 seconds, the PK’ers are already blocking the passing lanes.
I suggest two things. Forget about the stupid high bumper, have two guys in the slot, Lindholm and Miller. Secondly, Boeser plays the left side on his one timer, and Petey sets up on the right side. Lindholm plays left side of the slot, Miller plays on the right side, downlow. Everyone is effectively in their one time position where they can attack the net quickly and get a shot and a rebound. With two guys closer to the net, there’s more traffic, and more opportunity for rebounds. This forces the opposing PK to relieve pressure off of Hughes because now there’s 2 guys attacking the net and PK’ers have to respect that. This leaves at least minimum 1 passing lane available for Hughes/Boeser or Hughes/Pettersson.
Another thing is Pettersson seriously needs to be playing shoot first. Always setting himself to shoot on a receiving end from a Hughes pass. Getting that through to Boeser should be easy, Pettersson on the other hand wants to hold onto the puck and try and make his own plays, it just never works.
Teams know to just play aggressive and up high because the whole PP essentially revolves around Hughes’s puck movement and possession rather than focusing on attacking the net. There’s almost never anyone close to the net within striking distance so we devolve to the high bumper/JT Miller top of the circle wind ups. There’s no shoot mentality. 0 shots in 3 of our 4 PP’s.
Another issue is Hughes holds onto the puck way too long. I counted how long each Boston player had the puck and most of the time, the guys on the PP had the puck on their stick for no longer than 2 seconds. Hughes holds onto the puck and starts stickhandling at the point presumably to assess his own chances and teammates availability but he becomes stationary when he does this. Within 2 seconds, the PK’ers are already blocking the passing lanes.
I suggest two things. Forget about the stupid high bumper, have two guys in the slot, Lindholm and Miller. Secondly, Boeser plays the left side on his one timer, and Petey sets up on the right side. Lindholm plays left side of the slot, Miller plays on the right side, downlow. Everyone is effectively in their one time position where they can attack the net quickly and get a shot and a rebound. With two guys closer to the net, there’s more traffic, and more opportunity for rebounds. This forces the opposing PK to relieve pressure off of Hughes because now there’s 2 guys attacking the net and PK’ers have to respect that. This leaves at least minimum 1 passing lane available for Hughes/Boeser or Hughes/Pettersson.
Another thing is Pettersson seriously needs to be playing shoot first. Always setting himself to shoot on a receiving end from a Hughes pass. Getting that through to Boeser should be easy, Pettersson on the other hand wants to hold onto the puck and try and make his own plays, it just never works.
Seems like every game so far that they have gone into with me thinking "this is a good test for them" they come out flat or just are getting smoked. Game 1 Toronto, Colorado, Vegas, now Boston. Thankfully we have a lot of games against good teams coming up. In these games there are lots of plays where the Canucks look surprised things aren't working, as if they expect the opposition to be worse than they are. Cute passes, over commiting on offense, losing the puck to forecheckers on relatively benign breakouts. Fixable stuff, but man the "this is just one game of 82" will fail eventually and it will start getting under their skin. They need to assert their game and come out flying against these teams.
David Bruce Banner
Nude Cabdriver Ban
A serious reality check as to how we stack up against another team with SC ambitions. Maybe we just had an off game. Maybe we still need a heavy piece or two.
Aphid Attraction
Registered User
- Jan 17, 2013
- 5,066
- 1,702
Josepho
i want the bartkowski thread back
I feel like people are severely misremembering the Colorado game. That was a tied game after 2 where control of play was even then Colorado got a weird goal at the beginning of the 3rd and a late goal as a result of the Canucks playing more aggressive.
The idea that they've folded in every big game is complete confirmation bias. Against other top 10 teams (excluding EDM) they have a 104 point pace.
I've reached the point where I'd almost like to see them elevate Podkolzin from Abbotsford and try him with Pettersson and Lindholm. Mikheyev just isn't cutting it.
In fact I think they have enough wriggle room in the standings to start some experimentation. How about Lindholm centering Hoglander and Podkolzin?
In fact I think they have enough wriggle room in the standings to start some experimentation. How about Lindholm centering Hoglander and Podkolzin?
Larkin vs Miller fight incoming after Larkin takes an unintentional run at Demko.
Had a dream, just want to see if that’s what happens.
Had a dream, just want to see if that’s what happens.
Brock Boeser Laser Show
Registered User
- Sep 27, 2017
- 5,680
- 4,938
Should LTIR mikheyev so he can work on regaining his speed and strengthening that knee for the playoffs.
I don't think there is much of a drop off if you put Podz or someone else on that line right now
I don't think there is much of a drop off if you put Podz or someone else on that line right now
LuckyDay
Registered User
few notes
Don't forget this game. Move on but learn your lessons.
Its Tocchet, not Petey, that got outplayed. And Rick should have covered that hole and he didn't.
The Bruins obviously scouted this team and played a very aggressive PK which we didn't have an answer for.
But it wasn't just the weakness of a forward at the point the Bruins seemed prepared for our defensive play the way we move the puck around and go back.
They were prepared for Hughes turning away from his checker and they checked him to a standstill. It was not unlike the way Sandlak checked Housley in the 93 playoffs that won us that series. We don't have another Hughes. We need to deal when a team is able to shut him down. Demko is also getting scouted and he needs to compensate for high shots in close like that.
The Bruins have much more skill than any other teams we've faced including Carolina which is why they were able to keep checking. We couldn't compensate. Playing Joshua and Garland, and even Hoglander, was the right move to compensate but the Bruin's defensive collapse around Swayaman had no answer. Garland needs to bury his chances. He creates chances, his shots aren't creative enough.
We couldn't score our way back out of this - we need to deal with this kind of adversity and this kind of system if we are, heaven bid, cup prospects at this point.
A punishing bag skate is not the answer right now coming up on an early back to back. Re-evaluate on the days off on the way home.
Don't forget this game. Move on but learn your lessons.
Its Tocchet, not Petey, that got outplayed. And Rick should have covered that hole and he didn't.
The Bruins obviously scouted this team and played a very aggressive PK which we didn't have an answer for.
But it wasn't just the weakness of a forward at the point the Bruins seemed prepared for our defensive play the way we move the puck around and go back.
They were prepared for Hughes turning away from his checker and they checked him to a standstill. It was not unlike the way Sandlak checked Housley in the 93 playoffs that won us that series. We don't have another Hughes. We need to deal when a team is able to shut him down. Demko is also getting scouted and he needs to compensate for high shots in close like that.
The Bruins have much more skill than any other teams we've faced including Carolina which is why they were able to keep checking. We couldn't compensate. Playing Joshua and Garland, and even Hoglander, was the right move to compensate but the Bruin's defensive collapse around Swayaman had no answer. Garland needs to bury his chances. He creates chances, his shots aren't creative enough.
We couldn't score our way back out of this - we need to deal with this kind of adversity and this kind of system if we are, heaven bid, cup prospects at this point.
A punishing bag skate is not the answer right now coming up on an early back to back. Re-evaluate on the days off on the way home.
Last edited:
biturbo19
Registered User
- Jul 13, 2010
- 25,672
- 10,666
What a bizarre game. Looked like the sloppy powerplay thing going against them early just cratered their effort level completely. Between that and the Bruins playing a structured, tight checking game...they just looked frustrated and listless, but not pissed off enough to do anything about it.
They're gonna have to push through games like this if they want to do anything in the playoffs.
As for all the shorties given up...it's really just lackadaisical play. It's not something you're going to go out and like, set aside time to "practice" Powerplay Defending lol.
Just need to have a little more urgency and intention with things. A few players in particular just look like they don't feel the need to work or engage on the powerplay right now. New guy Lindholm and Bozo the only ones who look like they're playing with proper battle and intensity on the man advantage...and the second unit just flat out lacks the skill to be a big threat (but have the work rate sorted better).
Felt like a little bit of a "reality check" game for all our All Stars.
Curious to see how they bounce back. 'Cause that was just pretty pathetic. Not just the losing, but the way they completely folded after some early bounces didn't go their way. Uncomfortably reminiscent of previous iterations of this team, not the group we've seen most of this year.
They're gonna have to push through games like this if they want to do anything in the playoffs.
As for all the shorties given up...it's really just lackadaisical play. It's not something you're going to go out and like, set aside time to "practice" Powerplay Defending lol.
Just need to have a little more urgency and intention with things. A few players in particular just look like they don't feel the need to work or engage on the powerplay right now. New guy Lindholm and Bozo the only ones who look like they're playing with proper battle and intensity on the man advantage...and the second unit just flat out lacks the skill to be a big threat (but have the work rate sorted better).Felt like a little bit of a "reality check" game for all our All Stars.
Curious to see how they bounce back. 'Cause that was just pretty pathetic. Not just the losing, but the way they completely folded after some early bounces didn't go their way. Uncomfortably reminiscent of previous iterations of this team, not the group we've seen most of this year.
LuckyDay
Registered User
Even Shorty noticed that Bruins were aggressively checking the point men. This can be dangerous because the forecheckers can get out of position and it creates space in the top part of the slot but the Bruins clearly had practiced this and the Canucks looked tired.
Canucks are too used to their stickhandling and fast, accurate passes as a way to deal with this but they looked tired and nor did they not expect Demko and their backchecking to not be able to compensate for their mistakes.
First two lines and best defense were bottled up. Third Line was not able to bury it for any sort of comeback.
Canucks are too used to their stickhandling and fast, accurate passes as a way to deal with this but they looked tired and nor did they not expect Demko and their backchecking to not be able to compensate for their mistakes.
First two lines and best defense were bottled up. Third Line was not able to bury it for any sort of comeback.
krutovsdonut
eeyore
- Sep 25, 2016
- 16,851
- 9,525
watching that i was thinking this team does not get knocked off its game plan very often and is maybe becoming too predictable/scoutable. it would be a good thing to have that message brought hom now.
also, pettersson relies too much on the redeeming moment to excuse inconsistent play.
also, pettersson relies too much on the redeeming moment to excuse inconsistent play.
Everyone knows the team is going to lose I think everyone understands that.
However avs have proven themselves and didn't get shutout and didnt look incapable of generating any offense. I'm not mad they lost they will lose games, this one was bad though because of how incapable they looked last night generating anything. If they bounce back it's less of a concern but there going to have to play teams like Boston or Vegas in playoffs.
Teams like Boston and Vegas have also had stinkers.
I'm not sure they have where they looked incapable of doing simple passes? And gave up two goals while they were on the powerplay? My point was this was San Jose early season level bad. I don't feel games are binary you either win or you lose, there's degrees to how bad it was. This was awful. Like I said nobody is panicking or needs to get defensive but when they can't generate anything I would be lying if I didn't pause briefly over how bad that was. And rick did not brush this off either post game.
