Confirmed with Link: Brind'Amour named head coach

[Navin R Slavin]

It's one thing to sign an NHL level backup with knowledge they could be playing in the AHL. I don't see any replacement level goalie signing into an organization with 4 existing replacement or above level goalies where there's a chance they could be in the ECHL.

What if they're guaranteed a league minimum NHL salary that they wouldn't get otherwise? Dunno. Just always wondered about it.

In much the same way I've always wondered about a pitching rotation of 10 closers who all throw one inning every game, lol.

 

[DaveG]

Yup. Do teams typically stash potential NHL replacement level goalies in the E? Is that even possible? I am fully ignorant of these kinds of options.

There's been some change in that over the last few years. Not the ECHL for NHL caliber goalies but absolutely in the AHL with prospect goalies in the ECHL. I see see us possibly taking a similar approach next season:

Canes: Rybar/(non-Darling NHL goalie)
Checkers: Ned/Darling
Blades: Booth/Helvig

With Rybar being on a two-way deal just in case he doesn't work out but Darling somehow gets his head on straight or Ned goes lights out.

 

[Hulkacaniac]

It’s tough because there’s only so many nets in the organization to fill, even in practices.

There's ways around that. Loan one out. Move out the vet goalie in charlotte. Send helvig back to juniors if you have to. This doesn't seem like a huge obstacle to me.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

There's been some change in that over the last few years. Not the ECHL for NHL caliber goalies but absolutely in the AHL with prospect goalies in the ECHL. I see see us possibly taking a similar approach next season:

Canes: Rybar/(non-Darling NHL goalie)
Checkers: Ned/Darling
Blades: Booth/Helvig

With Rybar being on a two-way deal just in case he doesn't work out but Darling somehow gets his head on straight or Ned goes lights out.

Right. In baseball you see players jump from AA straight to the bigs all the time; increasingly, prospects avoid AAA entirely, which is a place for parking low vorp players you can call up in a pinch. Wondering if the same thing is feasible for goalies.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yup. Do teams typically stash potential NHL replacement level goalies in the E? Is that even possible? I am fully ignorant of these kinds of options.

If by "potential" you mean prospects, then yes. Quite a few decent goalies start their careers in the ECHL due to the sheer numbers game involved in getting their career started.

In terms of actual current goalies who could be playing in the NHL, I've never seen that happen before.

FWIW, Darling and Jorge Alves are the only two NHL goalies ever to start their careers in the SPHL, below the ECHL level.

 

[DaveG]

Right. In baseball you see players jump from AA straight to the bigs all the time; increasingly, prospects avoid AAA entirely, which is a place for parking low vorp players you can call up in a pinch. Wondering if the same thing is feasible for goalies.

Outside chance, the only problem is that in terms of quality aside from possibly goalies it's equivalent to single A ball rather then double A so they're not really facing the caliber of competition to really test them that highly in most games. Goalies are the one position that could work simply because of the limited supply of jobs available in hockey at the position, but most likely they'd be better off playing a few games in the AHL first just to verify what you're seeing in the ECHL is legitimate before I'd even take that chance.

 

[Chrispy]

What if they're guaranteed a league minimum NHL salary that they wouldn't get otherwise? Dunno. Just always wondered about it.

In much the same way I've always wondered about a pitching rotation of 10 closers who all throw one inning every game, lol.

In 16-17 the Canes had a version of this in the A with Leighton signing in Charlotte. But for instance: does someone like Leighton sign here if the Canes already have Ward/UFA, Darling, and Rybar signed and Ned in Charlotte? I think they sign somewhere where they are at least #4 on the depth chart.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Right. In baseball you see players jump from AA straight to the bigs all the time; increasingly, prospects avoid AAA entirely, which is a place for parking low vorp players you can call up in a pinch. Wondering if the same thing is feasible for goalies.

I think we've had this fight but generally you only see that in instances where the AA franchise is more geographically convenient to the big club than the AAA club. Florida, for instance, would call players up straight from Carolina when the Mudcats were the AA affiliate in part because the AAA affiliate was in Albuquerque.

 

[AeroFishOne]

I’m curious as to why some think a head coach with zero head coaching experience would receive the same salary as someone with head coaching experience. Dundon has demonstrated that he’s not willing to just throw money away depending on who you talk to so it should go hand and hand that Brind’Amour would be offered a lower salary to jump start his head coaching career over other qualified candidates with more experience.

I’m atleast giving a season or two to see how this all goes down before I make a decision on whether all this was a good Idea or not.

 

[bleedgreen]

I figured a big part of this is Rod doing this on the cheap compared to others. He’s hungry and willing to prove himself, exactly what TD was looking for.

 

[geehaad]

No offense to AeroFishOne, but what the f*** does it matter how much Brind'Amour is being paid?

 

[garnetpalmetto]

I figured a big part of this is Rod doing this on the cheap compared to others. He’s hungry and willing to prove himself, exactly what TD was looking for.

Don't know if you saw the press conference, Bleed, but Dundon did say one of the attractions for him was that Rod wanted the job but didn't need it.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Don't know if you saw the press conference, Bleed, but Dundon did say one of the attractions for him was that Rod wanted the job but didn't need it.

I mean...does Alain Vigneault NEED a job? I’m sure he’s doing quite well. That seems like an odd mental prerequisite.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

I mean...does Alain Vigneault NEED a job? I’m sure he’s doing quite well. That seems like an odd mental prerequisite.

I think the translation there was in terms of pay rather than actual need - Brind'Amour is still doing well from his earnings as a player so he likely wasn't going to balk at what looks to be an under market value salary offer.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I’m curious as to why some think a head coach with zero head coaching experience would receive the same salary as someone with head coaching experience. Dundon has demonstrated that he’s not willing to just throw money away depending on who you talk to so it should go hand and hand that Brind’Amour would be offered a lower salary to jump start his head coaching career over other qualified candidates with more experience.

Rod may be great. He may be terrible. Maybe GOTD is right and the lack of x's and o's won't matter next to a consistent culture of accountability. Maybe it'll be a trainwreck because it's all hot air and BS if your goalies can't hit .900 es sv% in the nhl.

But Rod was hired because he's cheap, and because GOTD knows the fanbase will accept it if the cheapest coach in the League is HCRB.

GOTD talks about winning and accountability and blah blah blah....but he also has the cheapest GM/HC combo in the League. At least PK was open about being cheap, this guy talks like Mark Cuban but acts like Rachel Phelps.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Meh. All around meh! Lazy. Cheap. Uninspiring hires all the way around.


It's like taking the ugly kid to the prom, after your first 14 choices laughed at your invitation.

Being 15th, you had something to prove though. So you rented a white tux!

Is it still time to be patient?

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I think the translation there was in terms of pay rather than actual need - Brind'Amour is still doing well from his earnings as a player so he likely wasn't going to balk at what looks to be an under market value salary offer.

Sorry, that’s exactly what I meant. Vigneault has made a ton of money. Would he balk at the salary? Probably. What works for Rod might not work for others.

Kind of like the GM job that a few guys said “no thanks” to. They would have loved to be a first time GM - but not for that price.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I can't wait till we find out that the real story is that Rod took a car loan with Santander a couple of years ago and kind of needs the extra hours right now.

 

[Unsustainable]

How much is HCRB getting paid?

 

[Hulkacaniac]

How much is HCRB getting paid?

They're giving him a free gym membership

 

[Unsustainable]

Free gym membership

Too much

 

[GoldiFox]

My point being that if Rod is being docked for not fixing the culture as an assistant, why is Williams still somehow this great leader? If HC vs AC doesn’t matter for fixing the culture of the team (and therefore Rod should be docked), why should C vs A vs no letter matter?

I’ve been thinking about this and I think I have an answer, it’s a good question.

I dislike the Captain decision because at the end of the day all reports said that Williams actually was the locker room Captain. Which anyone here could have predicted. If Williams operates at 100% effectiveness with the C, then I believe he still provides 80% of the benefit without a letter. The downside is more-so the apparent effect on Faulk and Skinner who both wilted for whatever reason.

That logic does agree with the point I was trying to make. I believe even without the Head Coach title, Rod’s ability to affect positive motivational changes is similarly ~80%. Now that he is Head Coach that is 100%. Yet I felt the message being portrayed is that Rod had little or no responsibility for the culture of the team he has coached for 7 years.

It’s probable that he will be a more effective motivator as a Head Coach. That is the 100% vs. 80% (just like Williams without a letter). But the whole thing felt kind of like they were saying “Good news everyone. Our team has always been missing that Star #1 Goalie and we finally identified one! His name is Cam Ward. He is really going to turn our team around next year.”

I mean, it’s certainly not impossible. But that’s a really weird (disingenuous for me) way to sell a guy that has been here forever.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I’ve been thinking about this and I think I have an answer, it’s a good question.

I dislike the Captain decision because at the end of the day all reports said that Williams actually was the locker room Captain. Which anyone here could have predicted. If Williams operates at 100% effectiveness with the C, then I believe he still provides 80% of the benefit without a letter. The downside is more-so the apparent effect on Faulk and Skinner who both wilted for whatever reason.

That logic does agree with the point I was trying to make. I believe even without the Head Coach title, Rod’s ability to affect positive motivational changes is similarly ~80%. Now that he is Head Coach that is 100%. Yet I felt the message being portrayed is that Rod had little or no responsibility for the culture of the team he has coached for 7 years.

It’s probable that he will be a more effective motivator as a Head Coach. That is the 100% vs. 80% (just like Williams without a letter). But the whole thing felt kind of like they were saying “Good news everyone. Our team has always been missing that Star #1 Goalie and we finally identified one! His name is Cam Ward. He is really going to turn our team around next year.”

I mean, it’s certainly not impossible. But that’s a really weird (disingenuous for me) way to sell a guy that has been here forever.

Excellent response! Logically consistent and well thought through.

I do still disagree, although your explanation of Williams/the captaincy is something I agree with (we can haggle on percentages). I am starting to get the sense that Peters was pretty unilateral in his “leadership.” You may turn out to be right, but I am pretty confident in Rod Brind’Amour as a leader of men, and am more inclined to believe if he wasn’t able to be effective it’s because he wasn’t enabled to (as it relates to the sphere in question). That said, it will be fun to see if anything changes, and if it doesn’t if it’s something we can start to notice or “sense” as fans like we could back in the day. I’m optimistic.

 

[Canes]

How much is HCRB getting paid?

Free use of a 1997 Chrysler Concorde along with the use of a dealer tag so he can save money on taxes and registration fees, with the option to buy it in 3 years.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

What Rod Brind'Amour wants to do with Canes, he can't do without Justin Williams

I know, it's Luke. But it's worth reading just for some insight from Brindamour and on Brindamour from former players.