Rumor: Bo Horvat All Purpose Thread (Part 1)

[AslanRH]

Does an insider really need to make such obvious proclamations. Pending ufas to contending teams. No shit. Time to start a new thread. I know towes isn’t a ufa but the other 2 are and towes possibly looking to move is old news

Apparently it does need to be said. Toews is a UFA

 

[ffh]

Apparently it does need to be said. Toews is a UFA

I’m sure the gms didn’t know till he announced it

 

[AslanRH]

I’m sure the gms didn’t know till he announced it

They likely did, but it seems some HF folk did not: ie "I know towes isn’t a ufa"

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

This is just pre-emptive cushioning before Newhook, Byram and a haul of draft picks are moved for one of them.

I'd be very surprised if either Newhook or Byram were on the table for any rental.

 

[AlexGretzchenvid]

They actually got a 2nd and Barron. It's not really that great of a return, maybe fair/slight overpayment at best. Barron couldn't even make Montreal's team which had open spots...he's behind 4 rookies on D already.

Open spots? No they didn’t.

Barron could be in the NHL but he’s better off playing top minutes and getting warmed up in the AHL he’s 20.

Savard
Matheson
Edmunson
Guhle
Harris
Wideman
X
Kova

1 or two of these guys gotta go down once matheson is back.

They weren’t adding another rookie.

Guhle is already our best defender so he wasn’t beating him out.

Harris has played 4 years with men and was basically promised a spot to sign with mintreal

X brings factors no one else on the Habs does.

Kova was an obvious depth signing.

Where was barron supposed to play even if he was ready?

 

[BKarchitect]

Bednar said there was going to be a lot of patience with Newhook so I suspect there is no panic yet - although quite obvious to everyone that if he doesn't progress - something will have to be done as using E-Rod or Compher in such a role outside of spot duty is not a recipe for success. Come February if this is still a major issue, then sure, I think Newhook would have to be looked at as part of a package going back to somewhere for somebody.

Byram is not going to be on the table, let's kill those Vancouver fantasies right here and now just as we did last year.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

From what I can tell:
Boston :will definitely try and sign him long term too. Have no problem trading for retention

Vegas: is Stephenson really a 2C? Have no problem trading for retention

Canes: KK ain’t it

Wild: depends if you see them as contenders

Kraken: see above

Assuming the Wild and Kraken accept that they aren't ready to go all in yet, we're looking at a couple of teams with very little cap space who don't have deep prospect pools. Not exactly a great situation for a bidding war to break out...

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Montreal made out pretty good with a 1st and Byron. Sure Col won the cup and re-signed him, but I don't think they got fleeced.

If that was the return Montreal got, it'd be decent.

But a 2nd that was 3 drafts away and Barron is pretty meh. Especially for the guy who scored both the Western Conference and Stanley Cup clinching goals

 

[Siludin]

How many playoff teams do you think need a 2C and will have the cap space to add him (or would pay extra for retention)?

Literally every team? LTIR cap space by the time the deadline rolls around will mean plenty of teams can afford Horvat's relatively favorable contract. Retaining on 3 months of an expiring contract is also very easy for the Canucks to do

 

[Leafs87]

Maybe I’m not remembering correctly but didn’t O’Riellys tenure in Colorado end on an ugly note?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

From what I can tell:
Boston :will definitely try and sign him long term too. Have no problem trading for retention

Vegas: is Stephenson really a 2C? Have no problem trading for retention

Canes: KK ain’t it

Wild: depends if you see them as contenders

Kraken: see above

- Boston has Krejci...
- Vegas, Stephenson has absolutely proven he's a 2C at this point. He's literally been a better player than Horvat the last few years.
- Canes, they aren't going to bail on KK after just signing him to that extension. They also still have Jordan Staal.
- Wild are definitely a team that has a need for a Center
- Kraken: They aren't going to trade a 1st round pick for a rental Center. Certainly not when they aren't contenders yet, and they have both Beniers and Wright who will be Top 6 Centers very soon.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I would never entertain a trade with Sakic. He fleeces everyone, every time.

Yeah but this time the Avs need a 2C and if they don't get one from now till deadline, they are not reaching another cup final. That 2C spot is a big hole when it comes down to final 8 and final 4 in the playoffs. Moving Rantanen there has ripple effects and it's not a permanent solution

All 3 centers are UFA's that other teams will be after as well. Each team selling will have the leverage and if Sakic don't want to pay, someone else will.

It's possible Sakic explores other options that are a bit under the radar.
* Could try a sign/trade for Dubois
* Monahan at 50% retention
* Eller if the Caps fall out the playoffs

 

[Szechwan]

Aside from a presumably very low 1st, I don't see a ton for Colorado to compete in the bidding war for these guys. Newhook in particular - I just don't really see it tbh.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Assuming the Wild and Kraken accept that they aren't ready to go all in yet, we're looking at a couple of teams with very little cap space who don't have deep prospect pools. Not exactly a great situation for a bidding war to break out...

That’s why I said depending on a certain couple teams and where they are at cone deadline.

Horvat I I’ll have such a small cap hit come the deadline, especially if retained, that little to no cap space really won’t matter to anyone. All those teams have filler players they can include if need be.

 

[nbwingsfan]

- Boston has Krejci...
- Vegas, Stephenson has absolutely proven he's a 2C at this point. He's literally been a better player than Horvat the last few years.
- Canes, they aren't going to bail on KK after just signing him to that extension. They also still have Jordan Staal.
- Wild are definitely a team that has a need for a Center
- Kraken: They aren't going to trade a 1st round pick for a rental Center. Certainly not when they aren't contenders yet, and they have both Beniers and Wright who will be Top 6 Centers very soon.

Krejci is very old and Boston is going to be all in for a C replacement for the future as well, which Horvat will be a perfect fit

Last few years? Last season was the first season he’s scored more than 35pts in his career, and hasn’t been better this season.

Getting Horvat for one season isn’t giving up on KK, it’s acknowledging he’s not ready yet while they’re contending

Seattle could easily trade a 1st with already so many picks and they want to make the playoffs to build the fanbase/experience. Wright is unlikely to be with the team past Christmas

 

[McJedi]

will any push type trade COL makes this year most likely be Newhook as the youthful piece being moved?

Avs 2023 1st and Oskar Olausson will be the Avs best trade pieces. Newhook won’t be available.

 

[McDonald19]

Henrique 50% retained for a pick

 

[Peter Griffin]

I don't see Horvat ending up in Colorado. They likely won't part with the pieces to convince Vancouver to move him there and a late 1st and prospect like Olausson isn't likely to be more enticing than another team that could offer a center or defense prospect instead.

 

[Ambisextrous]

Yeah dont see a Vancouver Avs trade that involves Horvat. Byram is not moving, Newhook more than likely not.
I'd love ROR back but only if papa o'reilly stays away.

 

[29Potvin]

Yeah but this time the Avs need a 2C and if they don't get one from now till deadline, they are not reaching another cup final. That 2C spot is a big hole when it comes down to final 8 and final 4 in the playoffs. Moving Rantanen there has ripple effects and it's not a permanent solution

All 3 centers are UFA's that other teams will be after as well. Each team selling will have the leverage and if Sakic don't want to pay, someone else will.

It's possible Sakic explores other options that are a bit under the radar.
* Could try a sign/trade for Dubois
* Monahan at 50% retention
* Eller if the Caps fall out the playoffs

Sakic may leave it to Chris MacFarland, you know the GM of the team

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sakic may leave it to Chris MacFarland, you know the GM of the team

Pointless post. Sakic is involved and the face of the franchise. Go away with your nit picking game.

Hey, maybe Shanahan should get more involved with what Dubois is doing?

Yeah dont see a Vancouver Avs trade that involves Horvat. Byram is not moving, Newhook more than likely not.
I'd love ROR back but only if papa o'reilly stays away.

OK, so if not ROR or Horvat, who? Toews?

I don't see the Avs not adding a 2C before the deadline.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

- Boston has Krejci...
- Vegas, Stephenson has absolutely proven he's a 2C at this point. He's literally been a better player than Horvat the last few years.
- Canes, they aren't going to bail on KK after just signing him to that extension. They also still have Jordan Staal.
- Wild are definitely a team that has a need for a Center
- Kraken: They aren't going to trade a 1st round pick for a rental Center. Certainly not when they aren't contenders yet, and they have both Beniers and Wright who will be Top 6 Centers very soon.

 

[Habs Halifax]

They actually got a 2nd and Barron. It's not really that great of a return, maybe fair/slight overpayment at best. Barron couldn't even make Montreal's team which had open spots...he's behind 4 rookies on D already.

Premature opinion. Barron is playing AHL cause we want him to play big min's. We have to wait a bit yet to know if the trade is lobsided or not.

You might be right, you might be wrong. Crosby disagrees with you. Does that make you nervous?

 

[Bender]

Apparently this was written before the Avs SOLVED the #2C problem by bringing back Galchenyuk...

 

[izzy]

I don’t think Army would trade ROR to Colorado