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Milwaukee deserves nothing and the Bradley center is a dump
It also is not a hockey hotbed in state (That would be Madison)
Bettman confirms interest in Vegas (UPD post 607: $450-500 MM fee?)
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Milwaukee deserves nothing and the Bradley center is a dump
It also is not a hockey hotbed in state (That would be Madison)
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Those wheels have been spinning for 2 decades. I thought when they signed this last US TV deal they were just giving up on US TV revenue.
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Is it possible that all this Vegas talk is the league trying to prepare another western conference landing spot for the Coyotes?
Milwaukee is tied to Nashville by PDC, and is operated in conjunction w/ the Brewers so it's not an option, agreed.
there is still the probabilty that the Bucks will end up in Seattle if the arena deal in WI collapses....
and that ties in with what Seattle's EIS has been angling for since 2008;
and garnetpalmetto, my statement on the Browns is correct and is equivalent deal to the Sonics/Thunder, because that's the deal Seattle settled on w/ Bennett... OKC has the rights to the Sonic history.
and that ties in with what Seattle's EIS has been angling for since 2008;
and garnetpalmetto, my statement on the Browns is correct and is equivalent deal to the Sonics/Thunder, because that's the deal Seattle settled on w/ Bennett... OKC has the rights to the Sonic history.
By the time the teams get into the league (2016-2017 - Vegas, unknown for 2nd expansion team) we will be within 2-3 years of the next TV deal. Damn right the NHL will be prepping for it.
They are a business first and foremost. I wouldn't be surprised if Bettman goes out with a big finale of a TV deal.
Got to keep pushing for it. The NHL has 23 American teams compared to other leagues having a minimum of 29. They are bound to get bigger deals. Adding 2 more teams to the list should help the NHL significantly with a deal especially having 2 more West coast markets with one being completely raw (Vegas) and the other looking like a close to sure bet to be at least a decent market (Seattle)
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Las Vegas is not a big TV market. In fact, by every metric available, it's a small TV market.
The NHL would make much much more TV money on Quebec City or Toronto 2.
American hockey fans fit into very specific demographics. They are white, educated, and rich.
Las Vegas as a city is small, poor, uneducated, and not very white. This is not gonna end well.
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Toronto or Quebec will have 0 affect on the American TV market deal. Las Vegas and Seattle will be better for the NHL in the States.
The NHL knows what they are doing going into Las Vegas. The amount of research and marketing tools they have that we have no access too is huge.
The potential for 2 brand new hockey markets to build up for the NHL outweighs Toronto and Quebec right now. Both of those cities would be a better relocation for a team that fails because they will succeed, but won't necessarily create "new fans".
The Canadian TV deal dwarfs the American TV deal. There is much more money to be made in TV on the north side of the border.
The NHL knows what they are doing. Hahahahahaha. I'm glad someone has faith at least.
You honestly think Las Vegas is a more valuable market than Toronto or QC!?
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But the bottom line in regards to the American TV market would be the same. 1 more US team.
+2-1 is equal to +1
I absolutely agree. They need that big TV deal to get on solid financial footing. It will help big market teams keep money and stop the bleeding of small markets.
The Canadian TV deal is a mess and will be worth less as the dollar sinks into oblivion. McDavid to the Leafs has is right and the NHL rightfully believes the same, Las Vegas will bring name recognition to the NHL and a cash infusion.
The Canadian teams outside Montreal and Toronto can't claim revenue domination once the NHL gets that massive TV contract.
You are making a few far reaching assumptions. The dollar sinks into oblivion? What is your reasoning here? Oil is at the lowest price since the depth of the recession and that CAD is still about 85 cents. Which is amazing. The dollar is doing quite well all things considered.
Massive TV contract? You mean the one we've been waiting for for generations. This massive TV contract is the unicorn of the hockey world.
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Like I thought, two well-composed, detailed articles appearing at almost the same time by respected reporters was a lot of smoke for there being no fire. This will be an interesting situation to follow as it evolves.
1) There is for now but if the NHL wants to grow its largest TV market is going to have to be in the US.
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These are lawyers and businessmen who run the league. They have a job of making money and know how to do it. The NHL has information on pretty much all the information they need on their markets. They know the average incomes, the backgrounds, the careers, and the ages of their markets. It is all available to them. They know who is watching what and what sort of rating each team is going in said location, along with what people in that market are watching. They know what they are doing.
3) Do you honestly think the NHL is getting new fans with Toronto 2 or Quebec city? No they aren't. They are going to be a mix of Leafs/Hab/Avs/Buffalo/Detroit/Sens fans who live within that market and are already contributing to the NHLs revenue. The only difference is they will get gate revenue, merchandise and a bit more of a TV deal. But don't forget they fans are already contributing to other teams by buying center ice or watching other in region games. The NHL is already making money off them.
With Vegas they have a fresh market of new fans to gain revenue at the gate, sell merchandise, and a TV deal in addition to preparing for the next National TV deal. There is a lot of potential in new markets.
That is a last resort as always. The NHL won't relocate unless it absolutely has to, but even if it does you are right that +2 - 1 is still equal to +1 and still another market in the US.
The NHL will want Seattle to have a team before the next deal and I am pretty sure most agree it won't be much of a risk. Las Vegas could be a hit or miss situation. Arizona probably won't go anywhere right now and it still has a chance to turn it around. Now Florida I do question. If anyone gets relocated it will be them in my opinion. They are putting a good product on the ice and getting very little support. Tampa Bay has a team hours away which is more than enough for that area. Florida being relocated to Quebec City will make more sense than an expansion team to Quebec. Use Quebec and Toronto as a backup to a team that is 100% done in the States. Right now there is none although 2 are getting there.
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1) Unicorn argument. One day we'll get the big American TV deal!!!!
2)MOD You might want to check the NHL track record on markets and business. Start with Phoenix then work your way to the list of convicted criminal prior NHL owners.
3)There are 10X the amount of hockey fans in QC alone compared to Vegas and QC doesn't even have a team. There is a reason the NHL themselves admitted that Hamilton would be in the top 5 of revenue generating franchises if it came into the league. If you think the NHL can make more money in Vegas compared to QC or Toronto 2 then there is nothing left to say.
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Dont really see how LV drives a tv deal based on its size. If it does youd think another league would hqve gone. I just think the other leagues are smarter and less desperate.
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