Bettman and Daly Meet With Seattle Officials; #667 Coleman & Hansen working together?

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NBA knew how difficult it is to get a new arena built in Seattle that's why the sonics left in the first place. They won't take seattle seriously until sodo arena is shovel read. They want the political part of it done.

Nonsense. The NBA has stupid, spiteful leadership. David Stern greatly held the NBA and basketball back due to his big ego.

Seattle built Key Arena, Safeco Field, & Century Link Field within a decade when the Okie lying thieves took over. If Howard Schultz wasn't an idiot, the team would still be here.
 

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Hansen isn't the only rich guy in town & the Seattle arena is not the only prospective arena site.

The Seattle market is absent a first class arena for concerts and shows, plus the Rue-the-Day RSN is starving for winter content....

It is a large and growing market, even if Hansen walked away, someone else would come in and look long and hard. Someone creative will get it done whether through their own wallet, through the political system, or through another source, like say the Muckleshoots. Again, Tacoma Dome and Key Arena are not up to snuff for major concerts, let alone NHL. There is a large chunk of vacant land along a freeway in between the two...

NHL doesn't want another glendale though he wants a site that is accessible. So tacoma is out kent is out. Its basically Seattle or Bellevue imo.
 

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Nonsense. The NBA has stupid, spiteful leadership. David Stern greatly held the NBA and basketball back due to his big ego.

Seattle built Key Arena, Safeco Field, & Century Link Field within a decade when the Okie lying thieves took over. If Howard Schultz wasn't an idiot, the team would still be here.

If Key arena was actually design to be a proper arena the sonics would still be here and we would have a NHL team by now.
 

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NHL doesn't want another glendale though he wants a site that is accessible. So tacoma is out kent is out. Its basically Seattle or Bellevue imo.

Nonsense. The NHL would move to Auburn in a second if there was an arena there like Glendale. The region, market, and corporate community are not the same, you can not compare the two.
 

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If Key arena was actually design to be a proper arena the sonics would still be here and we would have a NHL team by now.

Key Arena was a proper NBA arena, Howard Schultz was the problem. Steve Ballmer and Costco CEO Jim Sinegal were ready to buy team & have them play at Key Arena.

Howard Schultz sold the team to a bunch of lying Okies who had zero intention of keeping the team in Seattle without giving Seattle groups a first shot at the team.
 

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Key Arena was a proper NBA arena, Howard Schultz was the problem. Steve Ballmer and Costco CEO Jim Sinegal were ready to buy team & have them play at Key Arena.

Howard Schultz sold the team to a bunch of lying Okies who had zero intention of keeping the team in Seattle without giving Seattle groups a first shot at the team.

But it was never gonna be a proper NHL arena that's half the problem. Key arena was never gonna be a proper state of the art arena. Key arena being a NBA only arena was just 1 of its problem. Its too small footprint only 1 loading dock.
 

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But it was never gonna be a proper NHL arena that's half the problem. Key arena was never gonna be a proper state of the art arena. Key arena being a NBA only arena was just 1 of its problem. Its too small footprint only 1 loading dock.

You said it was the reason why the NBA is gone. The reason the NBA is gone is that stupid/greedy Howard Schultz sold the team to the man who was already on record as wanting to move a team to OKC.

If Schultz opened up bidding to locals, we would probably have an NHL viable arena by now.

Howard Schultz was the problem. The end. Seattle is huge market. With many potential owners. That has built palaces for sports teams. Check out new Husky Stadium some day.
 

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You said it was the reason why the NBA is gone. The reason the NBA is gone is that stupid/greedy Howard Schultz sold the team to the man who was already on record as wanting to move a team to OKC.

If Schultz opened up bidding to locals, we would probably have an NHL viable arena by now.

Howard Schultz was the problem. The end. Seattle is huge market. With many potential owners. That has built palaces for sports teams. Check out new Husky Stadium some day.

Hard to say if it would given with I-91.

If the sonics stayed under local ownership i don't think a new arena would been built. Seattle city council would never approved a new arena which would been a problem. it only took until the sonics left before they realize that Key arena was not good enough.
 

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You said it was the reason why the NBA is gone. The reason the NBA is gone is that stupid/greedy Howard Schultz sold the team to the man who was already on record as wanting to move a team to OKC.

If Schultz opened up bidding to locals, we would probably have an NHL viable arena by now.

Howard Schultz was the problem. The end. Seattle is huge market. With many potential owners. That has built palaces for sports teams. Check out new Husky Stadium some day.

Argument is both old, very dead, and prone to those who have the sledgehammers ready for the deceased horse.

Adam Silver is a resoundingly different cat when it comes to commissioners. No clue how he might try to steer owners regarding Milwaukee, nor maybe a half dozen other potential relocation situations. Of course, while the Mikhail Prokhorov situation is different (the Nets won't move, but the reasons to sell are obvious and the situation perhaps prickly), that might show Silver's business acumen and proclivities. The fun is just beginning.
 

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The reason the Sonics are gone lies at the grave of Barry Ackerley.

Ackerley demanded that the renovated arena now known as Key Arena would not meet NHL standards. Of course the renovated Key wasn't so great for basketball either and when Schultz bought the team he pouted for a new building.

Ackerley should get more blame than Schutz.
 

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A lot of blame to go around for the Sonics leaving. I no longer am upset with OKC group as it was obvious what their end game was.

My preference would be a NHL first/only facility but not very realistic I am well aware. So I am not at all optimistic NHL will be here any time soon.
 

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You said it was the reason why the NBA is gone. The reason the NBA is gone is that stupid/greedy Howard Schultz sold the team to the man who was already on record as wanting to move a team to OKC.

If Schultz opened up bidding to locals, we would probably have an NHL viable arena by now.

Howard Schultz was the problem. The end. Seattle is huge market. With many potential owners. That has built palaces for sports teams. Check out new Husky Stadium some day.

I don't know about Seattle, but I know when Marcel Aubut sold Nordiques, people complained he didn't offered them first to local interests.

Some people say the same thing today. Real facts are, Marcel Aubut was a business man and knew all other businessmen of Quebec, the city and province. He probably knew no one wanted or was able to pay the asked price locally.

I'm just gonna say it may have been the same situation with Seattle, but like I said, I don't know 100% the context in which Sonics left town.
 

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The reason the Sonics are gone lies at the grave of Barry Ackerley.

Ackerley demanded that the renovated arena now known as Key Arena would not meet NHL standards. Of course the renovated Key wasn't so great for basketball either and when Schultz bought the team he pouted for a new building.

Ackerley should get more blame than Schutz.

And don't forget that Ackerley is likely to blame for the fact that Seattle doesn't already have an NHL team. He basically single handedly torpedoed Seattle's expansion bid in 1990.

C&P from an earlier Seattle thread:

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Ackerley (through his son) intentionally killed expansion to Seattle in 1990 - allowing him to get the NBA only revovation that he wanted to Key Arena.

http://www.seattlehockey.net/Seattle_Hockey_Homepage/Seattle_and_the_NHL.html

Things appeared to be proceeding smoothly through the summer and into the fall of 1990. Larson and MacFarland met with the NHL Board of Directors in October and the Seattle group gave a great presentation. The directors loved the fact that a Microsoft millionaire was bankrolling the project and that a new state-of-the-art arena was under discussion with the city. Pat Quinn, who had played under MacFarland on the 1966-67 WHL championship Seattle Totems squad, was particularly helpful and told his former coach that Seattle was a “lock†for a team in the first round of expansion.

The presentation to the Board of Governors took place on December 5. The Seattle contingent consisted of four representatives: MacFarland, Larson, Barry Ackerley, and Bill Lear, a financial advisor for Ackerley. They met for breakfast and discussed their strategy, then adjourned to a room to await their turn to present.

Gil Stein, Vice President and General Counsel of the NHL, came to escort the group to the meeting. Ackerley then made a strange request. He asked if he and Lear could speak to the Board first in private before the others did their portion of the presentation. It was a complete surprise – they had not discussed this over breakfast, but MacFarland and Larson reluctantly agreed. After all, the application was in Ackerley’s name, so he had the final say. Ackerley and Lear proceeded to the meeting room with Stein while the others waited nervously for their turn. Ten minutes later Stein returned with a strange story. Apparently Ackerley introduced himself to the Board and informed them that the Seattle group was withdrawing its application. No reason was given. Ackerley and Lear then left the room through another exit.

MacFarland and Larson were stunned. The failure to get an application in their names had proven to be a fatal flaw and gave Ackerley the opportunity to pull the rug out from under them. The pair were allowed to make their pitch anyway, but they left Florida highly discouraged by the turn of events. Franchises were eventually awarded to Ottawa and Tampa Bay, though neither group was ever able to come up with the full $50,000,000 fee, a fee the Seattle group was prepared to pay in full.

The Coliseum underwent an estimated $100 million remodel following the abortive attempt to get an NHL team. Completed in 1995, the newly renamed Key Arena was a palace for basketball with 17,000 seats and over 50 luxury boxes. Unfortunately the remodel reduced the building’s seating capacity for hockey, leaving it with only around 10,000 unrestricted view seats. MacFarland has stated that he believes this was part of Ackerley’s plan all along – prevent the city from getting an NHL team that would compete with the Supersonics and then remodel the Coliseum to ensure his team remained the building’s key tenant.
 
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The reason the Sonics are gone lies at the grave of Barry Ackerley.

Ackerley demanded that the renovated arena now known as Key Arena would not meet NHL standards. Of course the renovated Key wasn't so great for basketball either and when Schultz bought the team he pouted for a new building.

Ackerley should get more blame than Schutz.

Ackerly should be blamed for not creating a two tenant building, But selling the team will always be on Schultz.

The renovated key was good when it was renovated (Stern said so himself).

People were rightfully fed up when Schultz/NBA asked for a new building, since only 6-7 years earlier it was deemed acceptable.
 
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A lot of blame to go around for the Sonics leaving. I no longer am upset with OKC group as it was obvious what their end game was.

My preference would be a NHL first/only facility but not very realistic I am well aware. So I am not at all optimistic NHL will be here any time soon.

Oh man, I'll never let go of the Thieves from OKC. Yeah we knew they were lying, but they lied and deceived, plain and simple.
 
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He killed the NHL in Seattle, but blaming Ackerly over Schultz for Schultz knowing selling to a group that's sole intention was getting a team in OKC is ludicrous.
 

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I have had many conversations with some friends of mine that still live up in Seattle and were huge sonics fans. It is getting to the point where everytime they mention news of the arena or that the EIS should be completed by such and such date they just yawn and move on. They tell me its the same story all the time. They feel that the NBA is using Seattle for leverage to get a deal done in Milwaukee and that the NHL used them as leverage to settle the Coyote saga. I also think that Seattle is becoming the 'Los Angeles Rams' of the NBA. Seattle is that giant gorilla in the corner being used to scare other cities into coughing up dough on new arenas they cannot afford. Now Ron Sarver is starting to pout that US Airways center is getting too old and wants to have it replaced within 8 years from now. (I live in Phoenix and think that it is a great building for basketball and they have kept it up very well)He wants the public to pay for it too. So it would not surprise me if we start hearing threats of the Suns going to Seattle. Also I think Seattle was stupid to renovate the Key instead of building an entirely new building. My friends told me that the city spent more money renovating the Key in 1995 than it would have cost for a new arena in the molds of the United Center at the time.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...silver-new-suns-arena-robert-sarver/20566341/

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2014/...a-built-because-old-one-is-from-1992-already/
 

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The reason the Sonics are gone lies at the grave of Barry Ackerley.

Ackerley demanded that the renovated arena now known as Key Arena would not meet NHL standards. Of course the renovated Key wasn't so great for basketball either and when Schultz bought the team he pouted for a new building.

Ackerley should get more blame than Schutz.

Greedy Howard Schultz is the man who deserves 100% of the blame. The only blame Ackerley should get is selling that jerk the team in the first place.

Key Arena was a meant to be a 15 year solution for the NBA. It was a one of the best venues in the NBA for fans. Ballmer and Sinegal, and heck Barry Ackerley too would have easily rode out the 15 year lease AND work out a deal for massive remodel or new arena to coincide will the lease expiration.

Howard Schultz is the man to blame. He never gave Seattle people a chance to buy the Sonics. He spitefully handed them over to the man on record as planning to a move a team to OKC. Howard Schultz is either evil or stupid. I think it is the former. It's hard to luck into building billion dollar enterprise.
 

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A lot of blame to go around for the Sonics leaving.

Not really. Howard Schultz never gave Seattle a chance. He deserves 100% of the blame. It is why Sportsradio KJR calls their annual sports turkey award the "Howard Schultz Sports Turkey of the Year."

That evil greedy jerk handed the team to the Okie liars out of spite.
 

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I don't know about Seattle, but I know when Marcel Aubut sold Nordiques, people complained he didn't offered them first to local interests.

Some people say the same thing today. Real facts are, Marcel Aubut was a business man and knew all other businessmen of Quebec, the city and province. He probably knew no one wanted or was able to pay the asked price locally.

I'm just gonna say it may have been the same situation with Seattle, but like I said, I don't know 100% the context in which Sonics left town.

Ballmer & Sinegal, two of the richest people on the planet would have bought the team. The minority Sonics owners wanted time to get a group together, but never had a chance.

There were a few other groups as well. Quebec City is Spokane, Seattle is one of the richest cities on the continent with over 4,000,000 people. Apples to raisins.
 

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NBA knew how difficult it is to get a new arena built in Seattle that's why the sonics left in the first place. They won't take seattle seriously until sodo arena is shovel read. They want the political part of it done.

Hansen has no reason to build an arena if he's not getting an NBA team. Why would he drop basically three quarters of a billion (or whatever his share of the cost would be) if all he can plan on is concerts here and there. The minute Silver says relocation will happen if the arena is built shovels, loaders, backhoes and excavators are in the ground.

Seattle built Key Arena, Safeco Field, & Century Link Field within a decade when the Okie lying thieves took over. If Howard Schultz wasn't an idiot, the team would still be here.

Key Arena - 1962
Safeco - 1999
CenturyLink - 2002

Not exactly within a decade ;)
 

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Hansen has no reason to build an arena if he's not getting an NBA team. Why would he drop basically three quarters of a billion (or whatever his share of the cost would be) if all he can plan on is concerts here and there. The minute Silver says relocation will happen if the arena is built shovels, loaders, backhoes and excavators are in the ground.



Key Arena - 1962
Safeco - 1999
CenturyLink - 2002

Not exactly within a decade ;)

I said shovel ready not shovel into ground. Shovel ready means the political part of it is done.
 
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