Value of: Barzal's contract

[Jared Dunn]

Matthews getting 11 million or more is a Toronto media driven idea more or less imo. He's a great player, but I've heard multiple people on 1050 call him a top 3 player in the NHL (I even heard best in the league once), and there just really isn't any argument to put him there yet.

I think he and Barzal both land at 8 years between 9-10.5, assuming Barzal has another good season

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I'd try to get him at 8.5M-9M x 8 years. He is the real deal. I would be comfortable with this.

 

[Critical13]

Neither deserves 10 mil. Neither deserves 8 mil yet.

Is that better?

That's just not reality. You may think it personally, but the market and the professionals within it say otherwise.

 

[Benedict Kovalchuk]

That crappy Eichel contract has really screwed the negotiations with players for a number of teams, smh. Same with Draisaitl, albeit to a much lesser extent.

 

[hockeyguy1967]

Matthews went over PPG in his D+2 season. Draisaitl has never done that despite being drafted two years earlier and playing with McDavid a bunch.

Eichel hasn't hit PPG and got $10 million. $7.5-8.5 is a pipe dream. And you're calling others delusional...

Matthews has not got out of the 60's in points.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

I offer him 8x8 right now. If he's the real deal, that's a break on salary. If he has a normal sophomore slump, it's about what he'd be in line to get anyway, if he's worth less than that, it's really bad news for his development.

He doesn't have to take it, obviously, but he can take the risk off himself than losing Tavares and drawing 100% of opposing teams effort knocks down his stats. It gives him a substantial deal, but it tempers some of the risk on the Isles side.

 

[Finn16]

Matthews so far hasn't shown anything to suggest he gets more then ~7.5-8.5M a year on his next deal, slightly below what even Draisaitl is earning.


And unless he comes out with an 80-90 point season next year that's likely what he gets. 8M for 8 years or so. He's not a Top 10 Center in the league right now and wont be paid as one unless he has a big year next year.

Matthews so far has absolutely shown to be worth a lot more than 7.5-8.5mil a season, i would suggest actually watching him because your obviously misinformed.

Also why are you pretending like Matthews scoring 80-90 points next year is not realistic? He had 63 in 62 games this year even with having to come back from injuries several times. Everybody already knows Matthews will be one of the top C's in the game so paying him a bit extra for potential is to be expected.

 

[boredmale]

I am guessing if he can repeat his performance(top 11-20 scoring) he probably could get 7-7.5M. Top 5-10 might get him as much as 8.5M. Now if he backtracks a bit he has to think does he want the security of a 6 X 6 deal

 

[Critical13]

Matthews has not got out of the 60's in points.

lol that is the most Cherry picked interpretation of his production possible, congrats.

 

[PWJunior]

I offer him 8x8 right now. If he's the real deal, that's a break on salary. If he has a normal sophomore slump, it's about what he'd be in line to get anyway, if he's worth less than that, it's really bad news for his development.

He doesn't have to take it, obviously, but he can take the risk off himself than losing Tavares and drawing 100% of opposing teams effort knocks down his stats. It gives him a substantial deal, but it tempers some of the risk on the Isles side.

Barzal isn't eligible to talk contract extension until July 1st of 2019. He still has 2 years on his ELC.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

McDavid paced 87 points in his rookie year, then jumped to 100 points and got $100 million over 8 years.

If Barzal comes close to doing the same in his 2nd year (already matched the first year), then I don't know how you can argue that he should get less.

 

[SI90]

Yeah but will Tavares shelter his cap hit?

 

[herashak]

I have a feeling Barzal is closer to a 70 point player than a 90 point player. Over 7.5 would be a mistake

 

[justafan22]

The people speculating Matthews gets 11M are either completely delusional on the player he is right now, or have massive expectations on him becoming a better player in the next year.


Matthews so far hasn't shown anything to suggest he gets more then ~7.5-8.5M a year on his next deal, slightly below what even Draisaitl is earning.


And unless he comes out with an 80-90 point season next year that's likely what he gets. 8M for 8 years or so. He's not a Top 10 Center in the league right now and wont be paid as one unless he has a big year next year.



Barzal will need to repeat what he did this year in order to really earn a big contract as well. He had the benefit of playing behind Tavares all year this year and was sheltered to an extent(Despite Islanders fans who will come in here and claim otherwise after this). Next year there's a real possibility he doesn't have Tavares in front of him and he'll be going against oppositions top defensive lines and pairings on a nightly basis.


If he can still repeat on this season and produces another 80+ point season, I'd say he gets 9-10M on his next new deal. But I'm a heavy skeptic that he can repeat on what he did this year, so we'll have to wait and see.

Eh. I agree that he isn't worth 11 million right now, but he's shown he's better than guys like Johansen etc who got 8 million. I think assuming he's healthy for 75+ games next year he puts up around 75-80 points which is worth between 8-8.5 million IMO.

 

[Dzonna]

Why would he make 6-8 if he was a 20 year old PPG+ player, and a C to boot? His comparables include Eichel and Matthews, one got a similar deal and the other is expected to.

I guess so far so good but we’ll see after next year and possibly the his third before he signs

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Barzal isn't eligible to talk contract extension until July 1st of 2019. He still has 2 years on his ELC.

Then this topic should be made a year from now when we have all the evidence. It's just kind of dumb to willfully make a decision before you can within the rules.

If he's an 80 point player again leading up to it, it's 10-11+. If he regresses some and is a 60 point player it's somewhere between 7.5-9. If he badly starts to crash or gets a huge injury it changes.

 

[boredmale]

If he's an 80 point player again leading up to it, it's 10-11+. If he regresses some and is a 60 point player it's somewhere between 7.5-9. If he badly starts to crash or gets a huge injury it changes.

I am not sure I like using points as the benchmark, I prefer rank in scoring. Using 80 points for instance. 80 points this year ranks me 21st in scoring, 80 points in 2016/17 ranks me 8th. I am not sure which direction the NHL will go in terms of officiating but it seemed like the NHL started to hide the whistle the more the season went on.

Barzal could get 75 points next season and finish like 10th in scoring, would you consider that better or worse then this year(85 points 14th in scoring) for instance)

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

Welcome to the NHL where your best players get paid as such. McDavid took a discount albeit a small one. If you don't think Matthews is already one of the best Centers in the NHL youre just looking at his point total and not watching him play. Every part of his game progressed this season, unfortunately he missed like 20 games (and the team rushed him back the first time which led to the second injury). He did everything better this season, including turn Zach Hyman into a 40 point player.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

No chance he should get more than Matthews or Eichel.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

McDavid paced 87 points in his rookie year, then jumped to 100 points and got $100 million over 8 years.

If Barzal comes close to doing the same in his 2nd year (already matched the first year), then I don't know how you can argue that he should get less.

1) McDavid was 2 years younger
2) McDavid wasn't sheltered
3) McDavid played on a much worse team
4) 99% chance Barzal doesn't get 100 next year

I don't even think they are comparable at all.

 

[SCMURRAY]

7 years, 7-8 mil

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

1) McDavid was 2 years younger
2) McDavid wasn't sheltered
3) McDavid played on a much worse team
4) 99% chance Barzal doesn't get 100 next year

I don't even think they are comparable at all.

1. Doesn't matter.
2. Barzal might not be next year, and if he hits 100 points, being sheltered in his rookie year won't matter.
3. They were both on bad teams.
4. I'm assuming you mean points, not millions of dollars, so ok, but what if he gets 96?

Young centers putting up monster numbers aren't comparable?

 

[hockeyguy1967]

lol that is the most Cherry picked interpretation of his production possible, congrats.

No it is accurate. It is called reality and numbers.

 

[DanM]

Matthews has not got out of the 60's in points.

Matthews only played 62 games this year? He came off three injuries, and still had 63p in 62 games. He had 34 goals in 62 gams lol both Jack and Matty have been better at a younger age, and don't even get me started in Mcdavid.

Eichel was also injured, both Matty and Eichel, when healthy, and top 3 players in this league the next 10 plus years. Hell Matty was like 10 pts over the PPG when he went down early in the season.

Both are 100pt players when fully healthy.

We gonna start comparing Barzal to Orr and Howe next, after this rookie season?

 

[Menzinger]

If Isles Fans do think he’s as good as a Matthews-tier player than prepare yourselves to pay him 10-11 million a season