Auston Matthews vs. Elias Pettersson

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Why is that LOL? He’s averaging a goal a game..

yes, while shooting 40%. Matthews can do that too, as evidenced by his start to the season. his track record is much better though

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Why is that LOL? He’s averaging a goal a game..

I think we need a larger sample size. Right now I see Matthews as the elite goal scorer and EP as a guy who will likely be an elite playmaker and get more points. But EP has a great shot as well and Matthews is a good playmaker too so it’s not black and white. Matthews 40 goal season though is something I’d have to see Elias match before I’d put him in that same mix as a goal scorer. Wouldn’t surprise me if he got there. But first he has to prove it.
I think both these players are going to end up in that tier below McDavid. It’s great to have so many young exciting players!

 

[Killer Orcas]

They are two different players really ones a shoot first power forward and the other a finesse player who can shoot and pass. To put it into perspective EP is a better Marner and Mathews is a better Boeser hard to compare them to each other. I'll take EP as a Canucks fan but nobody can really say whose better moving forward really. Both franchises should be ecstatic with there own players.

 

[CP4]

Right agree to disagree then.

Let's see if EP can hit 40 goals this year and go PPG+ like Matthews was tracking too in his D+2 year. Until then it's shiny new toy syndrome and the fact he's winning this poll after 9 games proves it.

Honestly I hope he does, he's been a saving grace for my fantasy team, and the Canucks deserve some luck.

So Pettersson (the rookie) has to score at the pace Matthews did in his D+2 year for this to be close to an argument for you? What about the fact that Pettersson has scored over 20% of the points already that Matthews did his whole rookie year? In just 9 games no less.

 

[Kelly]

So Pettersson (the rookie) has to score at the pace Matthews did in his D+2 year for this to be close to an argument for you? What about the fact that Pettersson has scored over 20% of the points already that Matthews did his whole rookie year? In just 9 games no less.

Yes he's had a good 9 games, unfortunately that doesn't make him a better player than AM, or somehow makes his potential higher, sorry.

Matthews played his D+1 year in the NHL, and didn't have the benefit of going back and developing his game in the SHL.

But sure, even matching a 40 goal, 69 point rookie season would make this poll a lot more close for me. Season is long, the cold streaks will undoubtedly strike the great EP as well.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

So Pettersson (the rookie) has to score at the pace Matthews did in his D+2 year for this to be close to an argument for you? What about the fact that Pettersson has scored over 20% of the points already that Matthews did his whole rookie year? In just 9 games no less.

you know Pettersson is in his D+2 year right?

 

[CP4]

Yes he's had a good 9 games, unfortunately that doesn't make him a better player than AM, or somehow makes his potential higher, sorry.

Matthews played his D+1 year in the NHL, and didn't have the benefit of going back and developing his game in the SHL.

But sure, even matching a 40 goal, 69 point rookie season would make this poll a lot more close for me. Season is long, the cold streaks will undoubtedly strike the great EP as well.

Development is non-linear. Matthews was a 1st overall pick so if he didn't play in the NHL right away it would probably reflect poorly on the leafs, since most if not all 1st overall picks play right away. But yeah sure, Pettersson has only played 9 games, but hes tracking insanely well. Don't use the sample size argument because then you'd have to apply to Matthews D+2 season where he was "on pace" for ppg.

 

[CP4]

you know Pettersson is in his D+2 year right?

Yes. Refer to my above post.

 

[Kelly]

Development is non-linear. Matthews was a 1st overall pick so if he didn't play in the NHL right away it would probably reflect poorly on the leafs, since most if not all 1st overall picks play right away. But yeah sure, Pettersson has only played 9 games, but hes tracking insanely well. Don't use the sample size argument because then you'd have to apply to Matthews D+2 season where he was "on pace" for ppg.

Quite the difference in a sample size with 62 games compared to 9......

Also considering Matthews had an even better stat line @ 9 games, and also had two other great seasons to go with it..

 

[CP4]

Quite the difference in a sample size with 62 games compared to 9......

Also considering Matthews had an even better stat line @ 9 games, and also had two other great seasons to go with it..

Regardless they aren't full seasons, they are but sample sizes. Anyone who watches either of these players can recognize their franchise potential, and if one can't then one probably doesn't understand hockey quite that much.

 

[Kelly]

Regardless they aren't full seasons, they are but sample sizes. Anyone who watches either of these players can recognize their franchise potential, and if one can't then one probably doesn't understand hockey quite that much.

Right and I have recognized EP's talents.

I just don't think it's outlandish to wait until he's played a little more to wedge him with players of Matthews and Eichels ilk, who have proven it over a sample sizes 10x as large.

A full NHL season is a grind, look at Laine -- he was PPG his rookie year for the majority of it until the last 20 or so games, where he dropped way behind, the season is long especially for players coming from the other side of the pond.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Right and I have recognized EP's talents.

I just don't think it's outlandish to wait until he's played a little more to wedge him with players of Matthews and Eichels ilk, who have proven it over a sample sizes 10x as large.

A full NHL season is a grind, look at Laine -- he was PPG his rookie year for the majority of it until the last 20 or so games, where he dropped way behind, the season is long especially for players coming from the other side of the pond.

I don’t think it’s outlandish to wait as well.
Some rookies drop off with the grind and others like Barzal get even better. We will have to see.
I expect that EP will end up the season as better than a PPG but until he does it no one can be sure.

 

[CP4]

Right and I have recognized EP's talents.

I just don't think it's outlandish to wait until he's played a little more to wedge him with players of Matthews and Eichels ilk, who have proven it over a sample sizes 10x as large.

A full NHL season is a grind, look at Laine -- he was PPG his rookie year for the majority of it until the last 20 or so games, where he dropped way behind, the season is long especially for players coming from the other side of the pond.

I hope you don't think Im trying to downplay Matthews as a player. Im a diehard Canucks fan and Matthews is one of my favourite players in the NHL. By comparing him and Pettersson Im only trying to bring Pettersson up and not Matthews down. But I agree that Pettersson needs more games, just from the stat and eye test I don't foresee him slowing down that much at all.

 

[Kelly]

I don’t think it’s outlandish to wait as well.
Some rookies drop off with the grind and others like Barzal get even better. We will have to see.
I expect that EP will end up the season as better than a PPG but until he does it no one can be sure.

Honestly would be interested in a Barzal/EP poll, not gonna make it because I'll be labeled as a salty Leaf fan or something, but would be interesting to see who comes out ahead.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

this is so f***ing stupid.

I'm not a stan of either player or team but this really is ridiculous....

 

[CP4]

Honestly would be interested in a Barzal/EP poll, not gonna make it because I'll be labeled as a salty Leaf fan or something, but would be interesting to see who comes out ahead.

There was one a few weeks ago and Barzal won it.

 

[Ainec]

Matthews will regress because of poor tap water
Pettersson tracks to be a Norse god with our godly tap water

 

[Kelly]

There was one a few weeks ago and Barzal won it.

I would guess that would change if one was made today.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Right and I have recognized EP's talents.

I just don't think it's outlandish to wait until he's played a little more to wedge him with players of Matthews and Eichels ilk, who have proven it over a sample sizes 10x as large.

A full NHL season is a grind, look at Laine -- he was PPG his rookie year for the majority of it until the last 20 or so games, where he dropped way behind, the season is long especially for players coming from the other side of the pond.

Laine was also injured in the middle of a hot streak.

 

[Rowlet]

Matthews will regress because of poor tap water
Pettersson tracks to be a Norse god with our godly tap water

He will be killing and making boats out of things before you know it

 

[M2Beezy]

The results are much closer than they should be. Classic HFBoards

 

[Rudeboyting]

TIL Pettersson has only ever played 9 hockey games in his life LOL

I’d accept the “puh, well it’s only been 9 games” argument if I hadn’t actually seen him play. He doesn’t stop getting better.

 

[flamesforcup]

I cant believe people are asking how Matthews is not winning. Have any of u seen the 2 play or do u just listen to Leafs fans about Matthews? Matthews doesnt drive play hes a floater centre who gets garbage goals whereas Pettersson is an elite line driver. I dont even like the Canucks but if anyone has watched both its obvious who is better. Matthews is not as dynamic as Pettersson

 

[Dyno]

9 games played?

I thought I told you to go to the quiet room. And stay away from my gun safe Junior.

 

[Arizonan God]

I keep seeing posts about Leafs fans “melting down”, but most seem to be having a chuckle at this thread. The rest of Canada’s inferiority complex is shining hard ITT.