ATD 2022 Draft Thread II

[tinyzombies]

Bowie
(Russell, not David)

Thank you to TDMM and Dreakmur for the bulk of this

Awards and Achievements:
Stanley Cup Champion (1899)
Allan Cup Champion (1909)
Montreal Victorias Captain

ECHA First Team All-Star (1905)

Charles Coleman's 1893 to 1926 All-Star Team from The Trail of the Stanley Cup, Vol. 1 (ahead of Cy Denneny, Frank Foyston, Didier Pitre, Gord Roberts, etc)


Offensive Accomplishments:
Goals - 1st(1901), 1st(1903), 1st(1904), 1st(1905), 1st(1908), 1st(1909*), 2nd(1900), 2nd(1902), 2nd(1906), 2nd(1907), 3rd(1899)

Reconstructed Assists: 1st(1904), 1st(1908), 2nd(1906), 3rd(1903), 7th(1907)
(not recorded in 1901, 1902, or 1905)

Rconstructed Points - 1st(1901), 1st(1903), 1st(1904), 1st(1905), 1st(1906), 1st(1907), 1st(1908), 1st(1909*), 2nd(1900), 2nd(1902), 3rd(1899)


Bio: ATD 2017 Bios

 

[Dreakmur]

Carbo had some skill he just wasn't allowed to use it, so it's again a woulda-coulda situation.

I think Carbonneau was a better shut-down centre than Kesler, but I didn't get to see him at his peak.

 

[tinyzombies]

I think Carbonneau was a better shut-down centre than Kesler, but I didn't get to see him at his peak.

He didn't get the opportunity to do anything else, though he had skill. Montreal played the trap and that was it. Kesler would have had to play the same role if he was in Carbo's shoes. Carbo didn't inflame his opponents though, he was just a quiet companion and was there at the right time every step of the way and won all the draws lol.

Having Gainey there as a valve helps... and Nilan to intimidate in board battles, and whatever big dude on D to weigh in. They were kind of limited helping Carbo bring out his skill though. Nilan could crash and score, but that's about it.

 

[Sturminator]

The best shut-down center I've ever seen play is Fedorov...when he wanted to. After that would be Bobby Clarke.

If we're rating guys purely for defense...eh, I think the value of grinders depends a lot on team situation and how they are used. I don't put much stock in Selke votes. The trophy has meant different things in different periods, sometimes swinging from year-to-year. It is the only NHL award considered serious around here that I can never take at face value, as it is so context-specific.

Which doesn't leave us with much to make our evaluations besides descriptions of the players and our own holistic impressions. Which is probably about right. There are some interesting statistical models being developed, but ultimately there's no good way to quantify the relative contributions of a grinder. It's hard to measure negative offense, and team situation (the strength of the goalie and defense, especially), usage, puck-ragging ability, and line strength all factor in.

 

[Dreakmur]

The best shut-down center I've ever seen play is Fedorov...when he wanted to. After that would be Bobby Clarke.

If we're rating guys purely for defense...eh, I think the value of grinders depends a lot on team situation and how they are used. I don't put much stock in Selke votes. The trophy has meant different things in different periods, sometimes swinging from year-to-year. It is the only NHL award considered serious around here that I can never take at face value, as it is so context-specific.

Which doesn't leave us with much to make our evaluations besides descriptions of the players and our own holistic impressions. Which is probably about right. There are some interesting statistical models being developed, but ultimately there's no good way to quantify the relative contributions of a grinder. It's hard to measure negative offense, and team situation (the strength of the goalie and defense, especially), usage, puck-ragging ability, and line strength all factor in.

It’s a tough one. The guys who are put in the most difficult defensive situations are set up to look bad, both optically and statistically.

That’s why I like Kesler - basically every playoff game I ever watched of him, he was glued to the opponent’s top centre.

 

[The Macho King]

Roanoke Rail Yard Dawgs select:

Tommy Gorman, Coach

 

[Dreakmur]

Roanoke Rail Yard Dawgs select:

Tommy Gorman, Coach

If I didn't get Blake, that's who I would have targeted, though I would have skipped Drillon if I did that.

I think Gorman needs a specific type of team to be fully effective.

 

[The Macho King]

If I didn't get Blake, that's who I would have targeted, though I would have skipped Drillon if I did that.

I think Gorman needs a specific type of team to be fully effective.

I agree, but I think I have that type of team. All of my D are great defensively, all of my forwards aside from Denneny are fast (and there's proof of concept of Denneny working with Gorman) so they'll be able to pressure the other team well. I don't think Bentley would be his dream C on the second line, but I don't think it's the type of thing where it would be too big of an issue.

 

[VanIslander]

Vancouver went to the finals with a great defensive forward, defensive dman and goaltender, then traded them all away to double down elsewhere. Ugh.

I was floored.

Kesler was great.
The Canucks went in the wrong direction when they shipped him out of town.

 

[The Macho King]

Vancouver went to the finals with a great defensive forward, defensive dman and goaltender, then traded them all away to double down elsewhere. Ugh.

I was floored.

Kesler was great.
The Canucks went in the wrong direction when they shipped him out of town.

IDK - Kesler was kinda falling apart by then. He had like one good season in Anaheim.

 

[Sturminator]

Vancouver went to the finals with a great defensive forward, defensive dman and goaltender, then traded them all away to double down elsewhere.

Amusingly, until you got to the end of that sentence, I thought you were talking about the Vancouver Millionaires.

Something in the water over there.

 

[Dreakmur]

I agree, but I think I have that type of team. All of my D are great defensively, all of my forwards aside from Denneny are fast (and there's proof of concept of Denneny working with Gorman) so they'll be able to pressure the other team well. I don't think Bentley would be his dream C on the second line, but I don't think it's the type of thing where it would be too big of an issue.

I haven't looked at your roster, so I have no idea... but I'd want two strong fore-checkers on every line.

 

[The Macho King]

I haven't looked at your roster, so I have no idea... but I'd want two strong fore-checkers on every line.

First line we have Schmidt and Lafleur (in a pinch just based on speed) - talent will win out there.

Second line I have Phillips (obviously not really a forechecker based on era but I think his skillset will adapt well) and Cournoyer's speed should fit well. Also - for his faults, one thing that gets pretty consistent praise for Bentley is he was a good forechecker. My third line should be a coaches' dream.

 

[Dreakmur]

IDK - Kesler was kinda falling apart by then. He had like one good season in Anaheim.

He had 3 excellent seasons in Anaheim, then fell apart.

 

[BenchBrawl]

We'll pick Doug Mohns, D/LW

Mohns was one of the players who impressed me the most when I watched old games. He stood out visually on the ice. He was a versatile player who could play D and LW, rush the puck, great mobile skater, great shot, plays a physical and two-way game.

Hey kid, slow down, do you want to make the rest of us look bad?

Doug Mohns does not know his own strength

I like the way you handle yourself on the ice, you’re strong on your feet and you’re not afraid to throw your weight around, and I must say, you have one hell of a shot

I would take Mohns in a fight against anybody in the league

 

[Sturminator]

I like Mohns for two main reasons:

1. Tarasov is the right coach to get the best out of multi-position defensemen like Clapper and Mohns. We won't be playing a 2-2-1 system like Tarasov's 60's era Soviet teams, but Tarasov's system called for (at least) four players on every unit who could skate well and attack opportunistically.
2. Not a lot of good puckmovers left who weren't relative pushovers. Doug Mohns is a beefy lad, and a good enforcer for the bottom pairing.

 

[Dreakmur]

Everybody wanted Ramsey apparently.

I would have taken him 3 times if I didn't already have Dumart...

 

[tinyzombies]

I don't believe in checking lines in an 18 team league. Too much talent out there to take the gas off. If I need a shutdown shift I'll power vs power y'all.

 

[VanIslander]

I don't believe in checking lines in an 18 team league. Too much talent out there to take the gas off. If I need a shutdown shift I'll power vs power y'all.

You may actually have the best checking line in the draft:

Blake - Yzerman - Howe

They are getting the puck back.

 

[The Macho King]

You may actually have the best checking line in the draft:

Blake - Yzerman - Howe

They are getting the puck back.

I never know how to deal with Yzerman in this...

But yeah - those wings can do the work.

I don't love pure checking lines (as in guys who only bring D on the third line), but I do think you need two way players. But I don't think you can afford to have a third line that isn't a threat to score.

 

[ImporterExporter]

You may actually have the best checking line in the draft:

Blake - Yzerman - Howe

They are getting the puck back.

Here, here. You better be ready to feel the body from the flanks. Plus Y (2nd half of his career) is very solid defensively.

 

[BenchBrawl]

You may actually have the best checking line in the draft:

Blake - Yzerman - Howe

They are getting the puck back.

True.

I also like Henrik Zetterberg • Pavel Datsyuk • Jari Kurri

 

[tinyzombies]

You may actually have the best checking line in the draft:

Blake - Yzerman - Howe

They are getting the puck back.

I was expecting to get hammered for that comment lol.

 

[VanIslander]

True.

I also like Henrik Zetterberg • Pavel Datsyuk • Jari Kurri

But that is more finesse stickwork.

I cringe at the physical punishment it would take to get through the hard-working gritty BYH line. Speed and quick passing is only counter. No one is gonna stickhandle past them (heads up Lindros, Mario!).

 

[BenchBrawl]

But that is more finesse stickwork.

I cringe at the physical punishment it would take to get through the hard-working gritty BYH line. Speed and quick passing is only counter. No one is gonna stickhandle past them (heads up Lindros, Mario!).

Is Toe Blake really that physical? Legitimately asking.