rmartin65
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Take your timeAnd yes, I know it's my turn. Going through a few options.
EDIT- I mean that in earnest, not sarcastically. This draft has flown by.
Take your timeAnd yes, I know it's my turn. Going through a few options.
Take your time
EDIT- I mean that in earnest, not sarcastically. This draft has flown by.
Prime Madden never played LW regularly, but he was temporarily moved there situationally. He was moved to LW next to C Bobby Holik to shadow the Jagr/Lemieux duo for one series in the 2001 playoffs, and maybe one or two other times in his prime.
Towards beginning and end of Madden's career, he sometimes played LW, but he was not really in his prime then.
IMO, at LW, Madden loses a lot that makes him historically noteworthy, but not everything. He loses his faceoff ability and most of his even strength offense (such as it were). Madden at LW was never able to get in position to get his deceptive shot away, which is what made him a sometimes-threat at the counterattack. He was still a good shadow, but Madden at LW is probably no better than his longtime linemate who regularly lined up at LW and usually doesn't get drafted.
In the ATD, if I'm drafting Madden at "left wing," it's to play limited 4th line minutes at ES and to center the PK.
Sports Forecaster said:Has tremendous size and reach for the wing position, as well as good wheels for a big guy. Controls the puck effectively in the corners and possesses a good scoring touch. Is at his best when driving through traffic areas.
And I think to add a more complex look at secondary positions, playing a guy out of position on a scoring line, when they're going to play 14, 15+ minutes at a minimum is different than a 4th liner playing 10 and playing a more defensive role.
I agree, like TDMM said, I would have no problem keeping Madden as a specialist for shadowing and the PK etc. while being a 4th line winger.
This dovetails a bit into the death of 3rd line checking lines a few years ago in the ATD because people were comparing the offense of real life 1st and 2nd liners who were decent defensively to players that were legitimate 3rd liner checkers in real life. There are some disconnects in how people evaluate things for an ATD team.
I agree, like TDMM said, I would have no problem keeping Madden as a specialist for shadowing and the PK etc. while being a 4th line winger.
This dovetails a bit into the death of 3rd line checking lines a few years ago in the ATD because people were comparing the offense of real life 1st and 2nd liners who were decent defensively to players that were legitimate 3rd liner checkers in real life. There are some disconnects in how people evaluate things for an ATD team.
False argument. I'm not playing Kesler at RW.Kesler and Fedorov are RW. Neither of them did anything close to what Giroux did in that position.
Now Madden is a LW. When was he ever a good winger?
What, exactly, is this "now" **** of which you speak?!Now Madden is a LW. When was he ever a good winger?
What, exactly, is this "now" **** of which you speak?!
The last 10 ATDs (Main-ATD & OPPF), Madden has been deployed at LW seven times, Centre thrice.
So before you go throwing around misleading framings like "now," please reflect on this.
****- this is my Main-ATD debut, and I've been able to take note of that much...
What, exactly, is this "now" **** of which you speak?!
The last 10 ATDs (Main-ATD & OPPF), Madden has been deployed at LW seven times, Centre thrice.
So before you go throwing around misleading framings like "now," please reflect on this.
****- this is my Main-ATD debut, and I've been able to take note of that much...
I agree, like TDMM said, I would have no problem keeping Madden as a specialist for shadowing and the PK etc. while being a 4th line winger.
This dovetails a bit into the death of 3rd line checking lines a few years ago in the ATD because people were comparing the offense of real life 1st and 2nd liners who were decent defensively to players that were legitimate 3rd liner checkers in real life. There are some disconnects in how people evaluate things for an ATD team.
False argument. I'm not playing Kesler at RW.
That unit was awesome, but were they even together a full season? I read recently that they were broken up by the time the playoffs started that year.
On the matter of draws, Bergeron is RH; Madden is LH.I would like to add, just because a player is at a wing position doesn't mean they can't take draws. Giroux is a perfect example of this, ironically enough. Look at his FO stats the past 3 years. He's still great and still taking a lot.
So even if Madden is skating a bit at LW, he's still going to take the faceoff's. Unless the C is a markedly better draw man.
Had my concerns about how he's be as a teammate/in-the-room of a Tommy Gorman team.I'll pick a mega-physical two-way defenseman in Barry Beck, D
Had my concerns about how he's be as a teammate/in-the-room of a Tommy Gorman team.
Be real interesting to see what people make of him being on a Toe Blake team.
That unit was awesome, but were they even together a full season? I read recently that they were broken up by the time the playoffs started that year.
Think Beck will respond positively to Toe Blake's approach?What's the issue with Blake?
Think Beck will respond positively to Toe Blake's approach?
"It was amazing the way they played because nobody saw that kind of hockey,” Bowman said. “The way they used to move the puck around, especially in the neutral zone, what would happen was Vladimir Konstantinov would end up getting a breakaway. Sergei was at center, Kozlov at left wing and Igor used to line up on the right side, but their positioning wasn’t important, they all moved around.”
"That was a wonderful time in Detroit,” Bowman said. “I didn’t play them together all the time; I was always fearful that because it was such a unique way to play, somebody’s going to figure out (how to defend them). They scored some spectacular goals. You look at the tapes now and see what they could do. They were great players. They gave our team something that nobody else had. Anytime you can have something unique, it’s a special group.”
Why wouldn't he?
I'm legit confused. Did Beck have some reputation I'm not aware of?
Also, was there any player who really responded negatively to Toe Blake? That's kind of Toe Blake's thing in the ATD, right? He was a really versatile coach who didn't alienate certain players like someone like Bowman might have?
Edit: I guess you're talking about Beck's big clash with the historically unmemorable NHL coach who clashed with at least 4 other NHLers? meh