Honour Over Glory
Fire Sully
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Oh right, Babs is still someone people "think" is an amazing coach.
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Oh right, Babs is still someone people "think" is an amazing coach.
You don't think he is very good?
I think he's a good coach, but not to the extent where people think he's the best in the league. He's inherited good teams with the Ducks and then the Wings (basically getting guys in their prime to work with) and he's not that well liked by a lot of his ex Wings players from what I've read and heard. Also after 2009, he could barely get out of the 1st or 2nd round, with the Leafs, he's again inherited some incredibly talented players.
He's the coach version of average to decent coach that gets the job done but give him a better team and he's more than enough.
I'm sorry but when you've been out-coached by Dan Bylsma, you're not that great. He's the Toews of coaches, except Toews has won more. People act like he's Scotty Bowman or something. I mean, how much does he make a year?
I'm sorry but when you've been out-coached by Dan Bylsma, you're not that great. He's the Toews of coaches, except Toews has won more. People act like he's Scotty Bowman or something. I mean, how much does he make a year?
Plus Babcock's views towards concussions is some stone age level ****.
I'm sorry but when you've been out-coached by Dan Bylsma, you're not that great.
It's shortsighted to base a coach off of one series. Mind you, it was the most important series of a coach's career - but it was one series.
The '03 Ducks, the '08 Red Wings, Team Canada, now the Leafs. Babcock's body of work towers over what Bylsma did after the Cup.
I think he's a good coach, probably in the top tier of coaches, but he's overrated by virtue of people holding him up as being in a class of his own. You could have put a chimp in a suit in charge of those Team Canadas that won gold and they still would have won.
All I really need to know is that I wouldn't trade Sullivan for him. Beyond that, I don't really care how he's viewed.
If moronic coaches have taught me anything it's that they could have sunk those teams. Look at what team USA did under Bylsma and Torts.
If moronic coaches have taught me anything it's that they could have sunk those teams. Look at what team USA did under Bylsma and Torts.
Management played as much if not more of a role of Team USA falling flat on its face the last two times.
Not to absolve Torts and Bylsma though.
Management played as much if not more of a role of Team USA falling flat on its face the last two times.
Not to absolve Torts and Bylsma though.
Yeah, I put a lot of that on Lombardi. Team USA was nowhere near as good to begin with as Team Canada either. If anyone had managed to sink those teams it would have been a truly monumental accomplishment. Even a mildly competent coach (including Bylsma & Torts) could have gotten them a gold medal. IMO, of course, as someone who has never coached a hockey game in my life.
Like I said, I think Babcock is a good coach. I'm just not sure leading Canada to two gold medals is anything to hang your hat on when assessing that. Also, fair or not, I feel like if he's this virtuoso he should have more than one Cup in 15 years as a head coach. Especially considering how much of his career he spent in Detroit.
Interesting. That's good for the Canes. Should bring them some stability.
The GM of Team Canada is what made that team good, Babs just put together lines that worked for those players from the teams they were on. Also, that much talent, durr...
Still don't like the guy as a head coach, his stance on concussions, etc. I would love it if he just had 1st round exits his entire Leafs career no matter how good the Leafs became, just as a screw you.
What's his stance on concussions?
https://www.thestar.com/sports/leaf...cks-take-on-concussions-baffling-feschuk.html“Well, I think when a player says he’s okay to play and keeps playing, he’s okay to play,â€Â Babcock said.
Yes, Babcock is implying that he pressures his trainers to allow potentially concussed players to get back on the ice immediately. Now, Babcock clarified that comment to reporters on Friday:"I put an unbelievable amount of duress on my poor trainer when he's taking some player off the ice who should be killing the next penalty," Babcock said. "You have no idea how kind I am during that interaction."
The trainer and the doctor are under unbelievable pressure from the player and the coach when these things happen. And we can all live in a fantasy world and think that we don't want them to keep playing. When a player is hardly bumped at all, and you think he shouldn't be going to the quiet room for 15 minutes because you need him in the game, in the heat of the action you want him to play. I think that's a pretty normal thing. And the player wants to play.
We all know we have to protect the players. But we have multiple people do to it...because I'd have everyone out there playing all the time. Because I'm the coach. We have people to do that so guys like me are protected from myself."On our team, when someone is unconscious or dazed or looks like they're supposed to go to -- what do they call it? -- the dark room or whatever. I mean, some of these things aren't even anything. They're going to a dark room? I don't quite get that," said Babcock.