OT: Around the NHL: We Talkin' 'Bout Coaching?

[Freeptop]

And maybe less bitterness towards the Pens, ha.

Considering Chuck Greenburg is the lawyer who helped negotiate Lemieux and Burkle's purchase of the team and their new arena deal, I'd think it would translate into a lot less bitterness towards the Pens!

 

[Dying Alive]

Commodore really does hate Babcock. I mean, he's kind of a weird guy anyway but there is an absurd level of hate there. It's not just like "I hated playing for the guy" it's an intense personal loathing.

 

[The Gobfather*]

https://www.thestar.com/sports/leaf...cks-take-on-concussions-baffling-feschuk.html

He then tried to back track it by saying he was joking, but he wasn't. Look at the Detroit Red Wings and their history of concussions with guys like Franzen and how often he was allowed back, it tells the story of how that was run. It also explains why Commodore despises him and it seems like a lot of other veterans do as well. He was also the reason the Wings were Vet heavy when they tried to push more youth, now obviously his tune has changed in Toronto, but that was never the case in Detroit and people blame the Wings management for that instead which isn't true at all.

A concussed player will always say he wants to play, unless he's so messed up he says no, in which case, how much ridicule would he get from his coach for saying that? Seems like Babs is that type.

IF you go back on his history...remember Kariya coming back when he shouldn't have? Franzen countless times, etc.


Oh but there's more...



https://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2016/2...ck-concussions-nhl-dennis-wideman-maple-leafs


Basically, his staff has to over rule him so he doesn't send out a guy he feels should play even if he's concussed because that's how much he wants to win. They try to spin it as oh he's just trying to win, it's ok, Billy with his head trauma that was played right after was just a guy doing what he thought was best so he could win, ah shucks.

Holy ****

 

[BHD]

His take on concussions is controversial. However, I think the vet thing is exaggerated. The Wings, up until the last of couple of years, haven't had any players worth making room for. Outside of Nyquist and Tatar, who became regulars under him, who should he have dropped one of "his guys" for?

 

[Contender]

 

[BHD]

...

That's awesome.

 

[Allie Kitsune]

That's awesome.

I can't lie. That exact picture was the one thing I wanted most out of the Sid-Geno era.

 

[Shady Machine]

Pure joy

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Did they put Sid on a box?

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

Love how it's a 25 year patch in the first photo and a 50 year patch in the second.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Babcock is a decent not great coach who also happens to be a monumentaly arrogant ****. I mean for certain kinds of teams he probably has the right temperment and attitude, but he's definitely out of touch on certain things and definitely thinks he's the ****.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I don't think much separates the top coaches, tbh.

 

[Brandinho]

I don't think much separates the top coaches, tbh.

I think the guys who go down as all-time greats have truly special qualities, but most of the others succeed or fail based on how well their skills happen to synergize with the teams they have. Mike Sullivan lasted two years in Boston and won nothing. He has two Cups in two years in Pittsburgh. Of course, I'm sure he learned some things in between, but more than anything he was exactly what this team needed.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I think the guys who go down as all-time greats have truly special qualities, but most of the others succeed or fail based on how well their skills happen to synergize with the teams they have. Mike Sullivan lasted two years in Boston and won nothing. He has two Cups in two years in Pittsburgh. Of course, I'm sure he learned some things in between, but more than anything he was exactly what this team needed.

I think all time greats can be an odd thing to quantify given the differences between eras and how sports evolve. Coaches are themselves not the easiest to quantify. Some of it will also inevitably be being in the right place at the right time, which being great helps but the perception of being great will also help get prime chances. How much better is that all time great than a regular great coach? Idk, that extra little bit or in a completely different level?

 

[66-30-33]

Mario and Crosby swap hair.
Jagr and Malkin swap hair.

 

[Nakawick]

Mario and Crosby swap hair.
Jagr and Malkin swap hair.

I agree, wonder if the photo shoppers on the main board could fix that up.

 

[Griffin6612]

Love how it's a 25 year patch in the first photo and a 50 year patch in the second.

****ing beautiful.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Commodore really does hate Babcock. I mean, he's kind of a weird guy anyway but there is an absurd level of hate there. It's not just like "I hated playing for the guy" it's an intense personal loathing.

He literally played 17 games for Mike Babcock. That hate, there's something to it and as weird as Mike is, he doesn't just randomly hate a dude he's played with or for without reason, that much I can say about reading about the guy and the stuff he says.

There also aren't a ton of players that Mike has coached that have glowing things to say about him, outside of the super nice dudes like Crosby who seems to never bad mouth any coach.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Babcock is a decent not great coach who also happens to be a monumentaly arrogant ****. I mean for certain kinds of teams he probably has the right temperment and attitude, but he's definitely out of touch on certain things and definitely thinks he's the ****.

His personality is perfect in Toronto, where he thinks he's larger than the team and the media already thinks he's a god so it's a match made in demented heaven.

 

[Vujtek]

Andrew Ference officially retired yesterday:

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/andrew-ference-announces-retirement/c-290386094

Good and long career for an 8th round pick.

He retired on 3rd place in regular season games played by a defenseman drafted by the Pittsburgh Penguins:

1. Doug Bodger 1071 GP
2. Michal Rozsival 963 GP
3. Andrew Ference 907 GP
4. Brooks Orpik 901 GP
5. Rob Scuderi 783 GP
6. Chris Tamer 644 GP
7. Alex Goligoski 644 GP
8. Zarley Zalapski 637 GP
9. Colin Campbell 636 GP
10. Kris Letang 603 GP

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Didn't Crosby rag-doll him when he was with the Bruins?

 

[Vujtek]

Didn't Crosby rag-doll him when he was with the Bruins?

Yeah, Crosby's first fight in NHL was against Ference.

 

[OnMyOwn]

The best Crosby rag doll was against niskanen.

 

[Allie Kitsune]

Love how it's a 25 year patch in the first photo and a 50 year patch in the second.

Hopefully we won't have to wait for the Pens' 75th season for it to happen again.

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

Hopefully we won't have to wait for the Pens' 75th season for it to happen again.

Nah, I want 5 in a row. With Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang and Murray laying on their backs around the cup like a ****ing starfish.