Around the Leagues 41: PWHL has more hitting than the Canes

[Chrispy]

We injured him even more trying to get the boot off

In Florida, the rats get thrown on the ice.

In Vegas, the rats get thrown in the boot.

 

[Lempo]

Did we even notice, Hanifin to Vegas.

DATE	TRADE DETAILS
Mar. 7, 2024	Vegas Golden Knights Acquire: From PHI: Noah Hanifin ($1,237,500 retained - 50%) · $1,237,500 Mikhail Vorobyov · $0 (AHL/JR) (Signing Rights) Sum: $1,237,500 Change: +$475,000		Calgary Flames Acquire: From VGK: Daniil Miromanov · $762,500 2025 1st round pick (VGK) [Conditional]* 2025 3rd round pick (VGK) [Conditional]** *Conditions: If traded by March 10, 2024 OR if the pick is top 10, Calgary will instead receive 2026 1st round 'VGK' **Conditions: Upgrades to 2025 2nd round pick 'VGK' if Vegas wins 1 playoff round in 2023-24 Sum: $762,500 Change: -$1,712,500		Philadelphia Flyers Acquire: From CGY: Noah Hanifin ($2,475,000 retained - 50%) · $2,475,000 From VGK: 2024 5th round pick (VGK) Sum: $2,475,000 Change: +$1,237,500

Fun condition by Vegas, they reserve the right to use the 2025 1st in some other TDL trade.

 

[hblueridgegal]

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

So did Toronto just say f*** 2025 or what? I wouldn't even send reps from the team. Just draft by phone at this point.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Forsling 8 yrs @ $5.75M takes him to 36

 

[NotOpie]

It's definitely shady as hell. I'd bet $20 that the league won't ever do anything about it, but I do wish there'd be some bandaid over this shenanigans. Either cap or no cap. No half measures. Solutions could include some form of cap for the playoffs (complicated yes b/c players don't get the same salary schedule), abiding by a cap hit each playoff game, or doing away with retention over 50%. The latter I think is the easiest bandaid.

In my opinion there's a simple solution to this. In the playoffs, the 20 man roster must not exceed the in-season salary cap. The last year that Tampa won it, they iced a 20 man roster that was something like $90 million. Seems like a simple solution. That way injured players could come back for the playoffs, but you couldn't ice a team that likely wouldn't be significantly above the cap were it regular season.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

In my opinion there's a simple solution to this. In the playoffs, the 20 man roster must not exceed the in-season salary cap. The last year that Tampa won it, they iced a 20 man roster that was something like $90 million. Seems like a simple solution. That way injured players could come back for the playoffs, but you couldn't ice a team that likely wouldn't be significantly above the cap were it regular season.

I still lean towards you have to be on the active roster by the last game of the season (and the team cap complaint) or you have to sit at least the first round before being eligible to play.

 

[NotOpie]

I still lean towards you have to be on the active roster by the last game of the season (and the team cap complaint) or you have to sit at least the first round before being eligible to play.

Players will never go for that. And if a player is legitimately hurt but recovers in time to play in the 1st round, they shouldn't be penalized.

 

[bleedgreen]

Avs get Trenin. I wouldn’t have minded him. Avs doing well so far.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Avs get Trenin. I wouldn’t have minded him. Avs doing well so far.

That's a long term Fast/Martinook placement. He'd look great next to Staal and/or the 3rd Line Of The Future (TM) and get us a lot younger.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Avs are adding some beef to try to get through the West after all these adds from other teams. They will need it to help Mittlestadt.

 

[NotOpie]

That's a long term Fast/Martinook placement. He'd look great next to Staal and/or the 3rd Line Of The Future (TM) and get us a lot younger.

He's got some offensive chops too....mostly underused given his primary role as a 4th liner.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Players will never go for that. And if a player is legitimately hurt but recovers in time to play in the 1st round, they shouldn't be penalized.

If they're healthy enough to play in the 1st round then they can be on the active roster for the final regular season game.

That being said, I agree the PA wouldn't go for it without some pretty big concessions.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

That's a long term Fast/Martinook placement. He'd look great next to Staal and/or the 3rd Line Of The Future (TM) and get us a lot younger.

Grundstrom would be my target as a Martinook successor. Similar metrics with a lot more puck-shooting.

 

[SlavinAway]

 

[bleedgreen]

Cheaper than Jake, but would they trade a decent piece to us?

 

[Chrispy]

Cheaper than Jake, but would they trade a decent piece to us?

If they think it's unlikely Carolina re-signs him, I don't think they care.

 

[bleedgreen]

If they think it's unlikely Carolina re-signs him, I don't think they care.

Well there’s a chance we would. I don’t think he’s a max term kind of player.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Players will never go for that. And if a player is legitimately hurt but recovers in time to play in the 1st round, they shouldn't be penalized.

Simpler solution would just be that anyone you THINK might play in playoffs must be activated off IR by TDL (or even the week before)...they can still be effectively on IR but must be calculated into the cap. That would not punish players but could stop a lot of this IR shenanigans. Of course teams would just shift their IR timeline ahead but still, it would alleviate a lot

 

[HisIceness]

Gustav Forsling signed a big extension in Florida. Is there a reason the Borg didn't keep him around? Seems like he would have been an upgrade over Bean and/or Fleury.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Coaching change and scores.

 

[HisIceness]

Coaching change and scores.

Lindy Ruff go back to New Jersey please

 

[NotOpie]

Simpler solution would just be that anyone you THINK might play in playoffs must be activated off IR by TDL (or even the week before)...they can still be effectively on IR but must be calculated into the cap. That would not punish players but could stop a lot of this IR shenanigans. Of course teams would just shift their IR timeline ahead but still, it would alleviate a lot

Again, the key issue for me is that teams no longer have to adhere to the salary cap for their entire roster (which is fine by me). The big issue remains the 20 players iced for a particular game. My point is, you can't exceed the cap with those 20 guys (I'm looking at you Tampa and you Vegas). Seems like a simple alternative....but again, it might go against the PA's grain.

 

[bleedgreen]

Im pretty impressed with Grier. He inherited a huge mess and he’s moved really tough to move contracts with surprisingly small amounts of retention. They’ve almost cleared the decks. That was a tough job to take on.

 

[hurricure]

I will dance a nakid jig down my street in broad daylight if Vegas misses the playoffs