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I hope Duchene gets traded in like 18 minutes so this beating of this dead horse can finallyyyyy end. Plus I wanna see Duchene smile in his new headshot.
Have you seen his numbers from after the deadline? For as good as we all know Duchene to be, is there any excusing that? 16 games in March he scores 1 goal for 1 point and puts up a -16 rating. I know that players go through bad stretches, but you're of the opinion this is entirely coincidental as relative to the timing of the deadline? I don't think it's a forever indictment of his character to point out the obvious here.
“But nevertheless, the problem is the term. So when a team is trading for Matt Duchene, they say to themselves, ‘We’re getting a two-year player here because we don’t know if he’s going to re-sign with us.’ But in the way the CBA is interpreted now and the way that teams use that CBA, are you really getting a two-year player or are you getting a one-year player? And the reason I say that is because we all know that once a player gets to the final year of his contract, you’re eligible to extend him to a long-term deal.
“So let’s say a team that’s interested in Matt Duchene – let’s pull the Columbus Blue Jackets out of the hat for starters, they do have legitimate interest in Matt Duchene. So they call up and they say, ‘We’re interested in Duchene but we’re limited in terms of what we’re going to give you because we might trade for Matt Duchene right now, and a year from now we say to him ‘’Hey, we’d like to extend you to a long-term deal now,’’ and he goes, ‘’Ah, you know what? I’m not sure. I might just wait until I go to unrestricted free agency and see where I’m at. ’’ ‘
“So suddenly you paid significant assets for a player who a year from now is maybe not going to be prepared to commit to your team long term. And now you find yourself in the exact same situation Joe Sakic finds himself in trying to trade an asset that has diminishing value because of his contract situation.
“So it’s almost like a player becomes an unrestricted free agent a year before he becomes an unrestricted free agent, and therefore these teams are limited in terms of what they’re offering and Colorado is going, ‘I’m not trading him for that. He’s way better than that. We deserve way more than that.’ And teams are like, ‘Well, that’s all we’re prepared at this point to pay.’
“So that divide is making it difficult to get a deal done, in my opinion.”
Who cares about this guy, we have Derek Ryan
What difference does that make? I don't care if he got off a conference call with 12 other GM's that opened with, "Gentlemen, Duchene is on the table, bidding starts at 1st + blue chipper.", you look the reporter/interviewer in the eye and you lie through your teeth. "No, we are not shopping him."
McKenzie on Duchene. Essentially says that GMs do NOT want to run into a Shattenkirk situation where a GM of a contending team is forced to trade an impact player because they refuse to sign with one year left. In that way, Duchene's value as a helpful roster piece only lasts one year before the acquiring GM inherits the exact same problem that Sakic is dealing with right now. No GM wants to pay out the ass for a pending headache.
I didn't mean to come off as a dick, so I'm sorry about that.
And I think that's where it depends on the team. I think a contending team or a big market team that can throw money at a Duchene will still be concerned, but not as concerned as a than a team like Carolina will. I remember when this Duchene rumor thread on the trade board first started, I said exactly that. That trading a young, cost controlled Hanifin for 2 years of Duchene didn't make sense. There were a number of Avs fans, one of them in particular, that said "GM's don't think that way" and "I've never heard that about a guy who still has 2 years left."
Then Friedman comes out and says that. Then Francis comes out and says that. And McKenzie, etc... etc.. I think it definitely affects the pool of potential teams willing to trade for him.
Have you seen his numbers from after the deadline? For as good as we all know Duchene to be, is there any excusing that? 16 games in March he scores 1 goal for 1 point and puts up a -16 rating. I know that players go through bad stretches, but you're of the opinion this is entirely coincidental as relative to the timing of the deadline? I don't think it's a forever indictment of his character to point out the obvious here.
https://www.fanragsports.com/mckenzie-valuation-divide-stalling-duchene-trade/
McKenzie on Duchene. Essentially says that GMs do NOT want to run into a Shattenkirk situation where a GM of a contending team is forced to trade an impact player because they refuse to sign with one year left. In that way, Duchene's value as a helpful roster piece only lasts one year before the acquiring GM inherits the exact same problem that Sakic is dealing with right now. No GM wants to pay out the ass for a pending headache.
is theekevinc the user formerly known as totalkev?
I think the argument of "well, you can just trade him for a pick and a prospect at the deadline in 2 years if he won't re-sign" is flawed. Basically what geehaad said. Canes expect to be in the playoffs THIS year and certainly next. Why would you want to be in a spot where you have to trade a key player on a playoff team because you can't re-sign him while battling for a playoff spot? Yeah, teams, like St. Louis with Shattenkirk did it, but they had defensive depth to afford it and a history of making the playoffs already. That won't be the Canes position.
The value part geehaad summed up nicely so I won't repeat.
BTW...is theekevinc the user formerly known as totalkev?
Keep in mind, that's "worst case." There is much more recent history that says that Duchene is very likely to re-sign with the acquiring team once he becomes eligible to sign an extension.
But even if you accept the worst-case scenario, if the Canes are en route to making the playoffs for a second time in two seasons with Duchene, haven't we already won the trade?
And yes, it's totalkev. But different.
Don't you talk about mrs slavin that way!Duchene seems to be a big fan of Dogs. He and Slavin will get along quite nicely.