Fallin for Dahlin?
The way Duchene played the lame duck games after the trade deadline should have been all the incentive needed to get him out of there before it kept getting uglier. One of the things that turned me off of Carolina trading for him was the perception that he really packed it in during those final games as a message to the organization that the situation wasn't going to improve. I said it back when these rumors first started to surface that it gave me pause that he's the type of kid that would handle his dissatisfaction this way and the situation has only eroded from there. The more snotty Duchene comes off, the worse it gets for Sakic in trying to find an ideal return for him. I don't and won't pretend to know what kind of offers have been/are out there for Duchene, but this matter needs to be settled for the betterment of both sides. It's about as mutually untenable as relationships come. I don't know if Sakic hoped that an offseason would get the sour taste out of Duchene's mouth about losing so much last year or what, but it's just not going to work out there. The worst thing you can do is hold a player that doesn't want to be with you to the point he starts acting out and distracting the rest of the group from the mission. I just don't see a resolution that ends with Duchene being happy there and he has the option to walk way too soon to gamble on a change of heart. Even waiting until the deadline has its downsides as it pertains to trying to get max value. While the market will be more aggressive, the limited amount of negotiation time might offset that. And it's also assuming Duchene plays good enough to justify a hefty return.
I think the general attitude from everyone is let's just get on with it. We all know how this relationship is ending. Do your homework. Get your best offer. Maybe you'll be surprised at how competitive it gets when something gets close to done.
They looked like a team on their way up, stacked with great young prospects. I get they lost a lot of scoring this summer but McGinn isn't going to do much to replace that.
What is Florida doing?
Meanwhile in Florida...local paper says "Nah, were done with the stick-puck coverage."
Barzal was never involved. The whole thing was later denied totally but that's irrelevant on the main board.
I highly doubt the price was ever really that high, and that it is now. I think he can still get a good young dman and maybe some other pieces.
Yes, they've actually got some good things going on with the core. Don't tell anyone Sakic was around for any of it though.
Yeah, there were so many versions of that particular rumor. But I think the point still stands....when all the reports basically said a player, an A prospect, and a couple of picks....it sounds out of bounds.
Meanwhile in Florida...local paper says "Nah, were done with the stick-puck coverage."
That sucks for them.
I just think how much of a shame it'd be if the News & Observer ever drops Chip Alexander's Canes coverage. He seems to be the only guy that can pull insight on the team consisentely before any news actually breaks.
I don't think it's out of bounds. A player, a prospect and a couple of picks could be totally different things with totally different value depending on the team. Many people are acting like that is some insane price without even knowing who the player and prospect is and where the pick is in the draft.
Multiple GMs have publicly commented that Sakic wants too much for Duchene, from the demure Francis to the bombastic Marc Bergevin ("Some people want a battleboat for a kayak").
Multiple GMs have publicly commented that Sakic wants too much for Duchene, from the demure Francis to the bombastic Marc Bergevin ("Some people want a battleboat for a kayak").
Waiting it out may indeed come back to bite Sakic in the ass, but I personally don't think that him asking a high price to start and then waiting it out is out of bounds.
Oh, but we're no longer at the simple starting point, or operating principle. It's no longer simply an attempted trade that didn't work out. It's now a public issue that people continually ask questions about. For Duchene's part, he's done nothing to bring this upon himself, and he's not only been put in this ****** position by Sakic, the ****** position continues to worsen the longer Sakic waits it out. THAT is what is out of bounds.
It's ****ing stupidity on Sakic's part. Full stop.
How are we supposed to interpret "battleboat for a kayak" as anything other than out of bounds, or insane, or ridiculous?
Yeah, the price will come down, or some GM will get desperate and cave. It's clear that's what Sakic is hoping for, that's why he's been shifting the goal posts from the trade deadline to the draft to training camp for a Duchene deal to get done. I'm just pointing out, it's not only rabid fans on HF who are acting as if Sakic is insane, people who have heard what he wants first hand are also taking that opinion.
Read an interview with Sakic from yesterday or so. He's in no rush to get anything done. He doesn't seem to care what the media thinks of what's going on or what the world has interpreted of the situation. He'll make the trade when he feels it makes sense and not before. Good for him.
What a couple of gm's have said is meaningless. Francis never said he was crazy, he just said we're not paying the price. Which is fine with me. Sounds like sour grapes from Bergevin, who's got enough issues in his own house.
Then he has to settle. I was just glad to see he was completely unaffected by all the negative talk about him. I really do think he'll get at least one really good piece back, maybe more. Everything thinks these things affect value, im not always convinced.
Read an interview with Sakic from yesterday or so. He's in no rush to get anything done. He doesn't seem to care what the media thinks of what's going on or what the world has interpreted of the situation. He'll make the trade when he feels it makes sense and not before. Good for him.