Around the League 2015/2016 Pt 14

[me2]

You have some great points. However I believe that overall Jets still have much greater leverage than the 1st Picks. Even with Larsson, their D-corps still look like absolute manure. In this day and age, it is not at all difficult to find teams interested in a defender like Trouba.

The 1st Picks may present their case as, hey we have Larsson so we aren't AS desperate, and we know you guys cannot wait much to deal Trouba. The Jets' reply will be: you guys want Trouba? Pay up, look what you paid for Larsson, and Trouba is the same if not better (I'm not saying Trouba is better, but I'm assuming this is how the Jets will present it). Besides, we have teams lining up willing to give us great offers.

It's a seller's world, - at least in my opinion it is.

In the NHL seller's and buyer's worlds flip pretty quickly. A month ago Edmonton were desperate, today they can be much choosier.

 

[PG Canuck]

Trouba for Hamonic.

 

[Free Edler]

I wonder if the Canucks could have been a player for Trouba if they'd hung on to McCann.

 

[Intoewsables]

I wonder if the Canucks could have been a player for Trouba if they'd hung on to McCann.

Hutton's probably a more enticing piece to them than McCann. Their defense is going to look atrocious if they aren't getting another defenseman in return for Trouba.

 

[me2]

Hutton's probably a more enticing piece to them than McCann. Their defense is going to look atrocious if they aren't getting another defenseman in return for Trouba.

And a LS D. Hutton or Edler are likely all they would consider (Edler would need a plus because of the age gap, Hutton because of the perceived value difference). Gudbranson would mean little to them, he's neither left side or in Trouba's value range. Tanev would be fair value but he's a RS Dman, and we need him.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Hutton's probably a more enticing piece to them than McCann. Their defense is going to look atrocious if they aren't getting another defenseman in return for Trouba.

Probably both

 

[Kickassguy]

Patrick Sieloff, a carefully targeted draft pick of our very own management wunderkind Doug Weisbrod, concussed his team's own top-6 winger (Clarke MacArthur) in practice today, causing another top-6 winger (Bobby Ryan) to fight him and causing Neil, Brassard, and Donovan to jaw at him and shame him off the bench.

http://deadspin.com/fight-breaks-out-at-senators-practice-after-patrick-sie-1787059020

 

[thepuckmonster]

Trouba is getting really overrated on HFBoards. I don't think I give up Hutton for him, especially since by underlying numbers he's actually been getting worse since his rookie season.

Also his offensive contribution is putrid and we already have a dearth of point producers on the backend.

But I mean... he hits really hard so that's kind of cool.

 

[tantalum]

Reminds me of an incident on men's league a couple years ago. We have a guy who in his 80s still comes out and plays league every week. You can tell he was a hell of a player in the past. Now while Leo is certainly no angel and will be the first to rub you out a bit or hack at you, it's an unwritten rule that you simply do not do the same to Leo. You give him room. He's 80 for goodness sakes.

Some kid one day rubs him out and really damn hard. Both benches clear to go after the kid..yes his own team as well. He wasn't pummeled or anything (well the first guy that got to him dropped the gloves with him) but he was forcefully escorted off the ice and asked never to return by 25 other guys.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Trouba is getting really overrated on HFBoards. I don't think I give up Hutton for him, especially since by underlying numbers he's actually been getting worse since his rookie season.

Also his offensive contribution is putrid and we already have a dearth of point producers on the backend.

But I mean... he hits really hard so that's kind of cool.

Yeah, I tend to agree. I think it's typical HF overrating of a player who was a 9th overall pick and is still "only 22" and therefore still has a "high ceiling" in the minds of most here. Players who were 1st round picks tend to be overrated on these boards until about their 25th birthday in my opinion.

 

[thepuckmonster]

Yeah, I tend to agree. I think it's typical HF overrating of a player who was a 9th overall pick and is still "only 22" and therefore still has a "high ceiling" in the minds of most here. Players who were 1st round picks tend to be overrated on these boards until about their 25th birthday in my opinion.

Well said. I actually found that the obsession with Team NA was the perfect synopsis of HFBoards.

 

[tantalum]

Yeah, I tend to agree. I think it's typical HF overrating of a player who was a 9th overall pick and is still "only 22" and therefore still has a "high ceiling" in the minds of most here. Players who were 1st round picks tend to be overrated on these boards until about their 25th birthday in my opinion.

Indeed they do. I think it all has to do with those various studies a decade or so ago that pointed to 25-27 as being prime years. The problem with the bulk of those studies is they were based solely on age rather than basing it on age and experience. A 22 year old with 300+ games under his belt may be closer to plateauing than a player that develops a bit later and is just starting his NHL career.

You see it with Gudbranson. Pointing to him being 24 years of age so he isn't in his prime yet! And indeed he might continue to get better but after 300+ games the improvement is likely to be in small increments rather than big leaps. The difference between rounding out a game and maybe what I'd consider true development.

 

[thepuckmonster]

Indeed they do. I think it all has to do with those various studies a decade or so ago that pointed to 25-27 as being prime years. The problem with the bulk of those studies is they were based solely on age rather than basing it on age and experience. A 22 year old with 300+ games under his belt may be closer to plateauing than a player that develops a bit later and is just starting his NHL career.

You see it with Gudbranson. Pointing to him being 24 years of age so he isn't in his prime yet! And indeed he might continue to get better but after 300+ games the improvement is likely to be in small increments rather than big leaps. The difference between rounding out a game and maybe what I'd consider true development.

Also Trouba doesn't have a contract in place and though cap space doesn't seem to be an issue at the moment moving forward, I don't know if I'd give up what it would take to sign him to a big contract. Especially with his lack of offense.

I said the same thing regarding Larsson with Edmonton. Is the difference in talent and play between Guddy and Larsson the difference between McCann + prospect picked and Taylor Hall? No, I don't believe it is. I don't think that what Trouba will cost + the money he wants is enough to blow the bank on him. Especially since Hutton is the same draft class and had a fairly impressive rookie season, all things considered. Winnipeg's only real need is LHD, McCann wouldn't have been appealing to them if in some alternate universe we pursued Trouba over Gudbranson.

The only deal I can really see working is Hamonic for Trouba and that's based on if Hamonic still wants to be close to home (though he's rescinded his request to be traded).

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

The Rat re-ups in Beantown: 8yrs/49M.

Brad Marchand has signed an eight-year extension with the Boston Bruins worth US$49 million, according to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman.

The 28-year-old Marchand was entering the final year of a four-year contract with the Bruins and is due to receive US$5 million this season, according to GeneralFanager.com.

The Halifax native scored 37 goals and 24 assists in 77 games for Boston last season.

Marchand has thrived this fall at the World Cup of Hockey for Team Canada while playing on a line with Sidney Crosby and Bruins teammate Patrice Bergeron. The trio are three of the top five scorers at the World Cup with Marchand chipping in with three goals and two assists in four games.

The five-foot-nine, 181 pound left winger was drafted in the third round of the 2006 NHL Draft by Boston.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bruins-sign-brad-marchand-eight-year-extension/

 

[Jyrki21]

Reminds me of an incident on men's league a couple years ago. We have a guy who in his 80s still comes out and plays league every week. You can tell he was a hell of a player in the past. Now while Leo is certainly no angel and will be the first to rub you out a bit or hack at you, it's an unwritten rule that you simply do not do the same to Leo. You give him room. He's 80 for goodness sakes.

Some kid one day rubs him out and really damn hard. Both benches clear to go after the kid..yes his own team as well. He wasn't pummeled or anything (well the first guy that got to him dropped the gloves with him) but he was forcefully escorted off the ice and asked never to return by 25 other guys.

EIGHTY?! That seems dangerous as all hell. Aren't you in Missouri too (I'm on mobile)? Surprised that there'd be that much depth of hockey interest.

 

[thepuckmonster]

EIGHTY?! That seems dangerous as all hell. Aren't you in Missouri too (I'm on mobile)? Surprised that there'd be that much depth of hockey interest.

There's quite a lot of hockey interest in MO, St. Louis has been putting together one hell of a development program and there was quite a few picks from 2016 that were drafted out of there. Keller being the highest one.

 

[Zaddy91]

wish we could draft a player from the third round that ends up like that

hutton(5)and tryamkin twin powers activate

 

[tantalum]

EIGHTY?! That seems dangerous as all hell. Aren't you in Missouri too (I'm on mobile)? Surprised that there'd be that much depth of hockey interest.

Guy is amazing to be honest. He's out their pedalling his bike 10-15 miles a day as well from what I've heard.

There are two "nearby" facilities that I have played league at. Both are about 75 minutes away. Springfield, Missouri has a very nice arena with two sheets of NHL sized ice. Missouri State has a hockey team that plays out of the facility. The other is in Springdale, Arkansas and the Razorbacks play out of it. It's not NHL sized as it's a touch shorter. Wichita is a lot further (3 hours) but has a NHL surface and Olympic surface in the amateur facility. We play a couple tourneys there a year.

I mainly play in the Arkansas league because the people are nicer. There is enough interest that we have a 6 team B/C league and a 6 team A league. Not huge but larger than I think most people expect. Why the interest? Well you have a lot of Dallas kids who have now grown up playing moving to the area for school (the A league). Dallas is only a 4-5 hour drive so they can get away from home, attend a good university and still be close enough to home to go back easily. Also a few miles up the interstate is the Walmart global headquarters (Bentonville, Arkansas). That also means if you want to do big business with Walmart you better have a substantial presence in the area. A lot of transplants from Canada, Minnesota/Wisconsin and the East coast because of this. Quite a few good players some of which played lower level pro and one guy who was actually an official in the AHL, ECHL and has represented Canada at the World Hockey Championships as an official.

Also, I'm decidedly a C player.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Not unheard of for older guys to stick with it: http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20944926,00.html

94 years old last year. There's a video of him on YouTube as well.

 

[thepuckmonster]

Oilers' new mascot is a Lynx named Hunter. I guess I didn't need to sleep ever again.

 

[racerjoe]

Oilers' new mascot is a Lynx named Hunter. I guess I didn't need to sleep ever again.

There is some terrible people in the marketing world. There really is.

 

[tradervik]

Oilers' new mascot is a Lynx named Hunter. I guess I didn't need to sleep ever again.

But the lynx tested much better than the other option they were considering: