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[Cyclones Rock]

VERY close to being up 3-0

And all wins would have been in OT which would have been roughly 8-1 odds against.

So VERY CLOSE to being VERY LUCKY.

You may want to recall that Trotz started Grubhauer in games 1 and 2. He's ridden the pines ever since.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

A few games ago I would have thought Vegas would have rolled over the Caps. Now I think it may come down to the goalies. A red hot Fleury or a consistently playoff excellent Holtby.

 

[cslebn]

I can't wait for HFboards to blow up when Vegas wins.

I really wish I could justify the $750/ticket for GM2.

 

[MAHJ71]

I can't wait for HFboards to blow up when Vegas wins.

I really wish I could justify the $750/ticket for GM2.

You know what they say... "you only live once"

 

[Viqsi]

And all wins would have been in OT which would have been roughly 8-1 odds against.

So VERY CLOSE to being VERY LUCKY.

Funny how the same odds also apply to losing all three games. Is that also "luck"? At what point does it cease to be "luck"?

I fully expect a reply that insists on a narrative of Grubauer being unusually bad rather than Holtby being unusually good.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Funny how the same odds also apply to losing all three games. Is that also "luck"? At what point does it cease to be "luck"?

I fully expect a reply that insists on a narrative of Grubauer being unusually bad rather than Holtby being unusually good.

I guess simple math escapes you. 50% chance of winning OT game....roughly. Three in a row at those odds equates to roughly a 1/8th chance of winning all 3.

The post I was quoting said how close the CBJ were to going up 3 games. I merely pointed out that 3 straight OT victories would have been really lucky. Capiche?

The whole " we lost to the future champs" nonsense is a lame mindset anyway.

Yeah. And had Trotz gone with Holtby from game one, it's highly likely that the CBJ would have only won a single game.

 

[Viqsi]

I guess simple math escapes you. 50% chance of winning OT game....roughly. Three in a row at those odds equates to roughly a 1/8th chance of winning all 3.

The post I was quoting said how close the CBJ were to going up 3 games. I merely pointed out that 3 straight OT victories would have been really lucky. Capiche?

My point, in turn, is that your "50% chance" is also the chance of losing rather than winning, and yet I sincerely doubt you'd refer to losing all three OT games as "very unlucky".

 

[Cyclones Rock]

My point, in turn, is that your "50% chance" is also the chance of losing rather than winning, and yet I sincerely doubt you'd refer to losing all three OT games as "very unlucky".

That's ridiculous conjecture. Your own " confirmation bias" as you regularly (and usually incorrectly) project upon others

 

[Viqsi]

That's ridiculous conjecture.

Right. So let's say we exist in a world where we lose the first three games to OT. And per this you wouldn't immediately go on rants about how this is a condemnation of Davidson and Kekalainen, proof that Bob chokes in the playoffs and that guys like Dubinsky and Murray are valueless, more of an indicator that Tortorella can't adjust and can't win anymore, something something William Karlsson, and all the usual tropes that you've trotted out every single time there's a hint of adversity all year - no, you'd just point out that this was "very unlucky", implying that, hey, y'know, the team just might turn things around.

I confess I remain skeptical.

Your own " confirmation bias" as you regularly (and usually incorrectly) project upon others

No, that's more begging the question based on prejudice. You haven't presented any new evidence about your tendencies and reactions vis-a-vis the Jackets for me to spin, so confirmation bias isn't an option.

 

[MoeBartoli]

I had a nice chuckle last night while having a beer in the Nashville airport. While chatting about the brewery's various sample craft beer offerings with the couple next to me who were returning to Baltimore, I asked the husband if his shirt was commentary on Pierre McGuire (above stock photo of shirt). Sure enough it was as he was a huge Caps fan bemoaning a perceived Pens bias of Pierre. That led to more good conversation - and more beer. And naturally I did inject an obligatory Tom Wilson dig....anyway a good way to spend time during a flight delay.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

4th line CBJ reject with 20+ minutes and a goal.

 

[cslebn]

I enjoyed the Tom Wilson justice for the marchessault butt end on Oshie. Damn that was dirty.

 

[cslebn]

4th line CBJ reject with 20+ minutes and a goal.

He seemed really ineffective on the 3rd to my eye. Reilly Smith on the other hand was still doing a great job.

I have to think, even with all our gripes, Florida fans have the most to complain about.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

4th line CBJ reject with 20+ minutes and a goal.

Damn yeah, he did play for the Jackets at one time! How is it that no one has brought this up before?

 

[EspenK]

I was hoping to see some intelligent discussion about the game last night, but sos. I thought it was a great game. 6-4 indicates playoff Bob was in net for both teams. Nothing further from the truth imo. Only fluke goal was when Fleury lost the puck and kicked it in while sliding backwards. I thought both teams were good offensively and defensively as well. A few breakdowns that led toeasy goals but overall a well played game by both teams at both ends of the ice.

A big key was Vegas neutralized Ovie. He wasn't much of a factor.

And Wilson sucks. Not sure about JAM's stick butt to Oshie's face being intentional but Wilson's blindside hit could have concussed JAM and I think warrants a game based on his prior behavior. Guy doesn't seem to learn. Only thing that will probably save his butt is that JAM appears to be ok.

 

[cslebn]

The spine shot was the shift before as Oshie was getting up from an Engellend cross check. Nasty play.

Otherwise it was a great game to watch. Frankly I was amazed at how Vegas withstood the pressure from Washington the last bit. Good job keeping chances to low risk areas minus the Eller whiff. He's going yup have nightmares about that.

 

[Maylo]

Only 1 PP for every team, such a clean immaculate hockey.

 

[Monk]

Only 1 PP for every team, such a clean immaculate hockey.

And 10 goals, so 2 playoff chokers in net.

 

[MoeBartoli]

An incredibly entertaining game. I agree with EspenK that the high score wasn’t because of bad goaltending. This was a game where each offense overcame the defense with strong surges and some nifty plays. I hope we have six more such games.

 

[thebus88]

4th line CBJ reject with 20+ minutes and a goal.

Forgive the 'copy and paste'.

But, its amazing to me that you continue to "harp" on this over and over when you literally expressed the opinion multiple times that you NOW sarcastically mock, over and over and over and over...

Cyclones Rock said:

I do hope that the FO isn't expending any resources to keep Wild Bill.

He's an easily replaceable spare part who went 45 games or so without a goal.​

Cyclones Rock said:

Anyone who real thinks that a player like Karlsson moves the meter for a hockey team in a substantial way doesn't get NHL hockey personnel options. Wild Beel-type players are available all the time during the off season and usually make the waiver wires weekly during the season. As an added bonus, most of them will even throw a check.


The "kicker" is, I'm not even sure anybody has even claimed that the team didn't make a mistake in hindsight. The issue I have is, unlike you, most of the other people acknowledge this hindsight. And they also don't attempt to make a point by mocking an opinion that they themselves felt and expressed for a decent period of time. Vegas was never taking Jack Johnson.​

 

[thebus88]

Only 1 PP for every team, such a clean immaculate hockey.

Who else remembers the goalie interference calls vs. Washington? Where can I see them again?

Clear incidental contact during a goal leading to a PP (goal?) the other way.

 

[Viqsi]

Forgive the 'copy and paste'.

But, its amazing to me that you continue to "harp" on this over and over when you literally expressed the opinion multiple times that you NOW sarcastically mock, over and over and over and over...

Cyclones Rock said:

I do hope that the FO isn't expending any resources to keep Wild Bill.

He's an easily replaceable spare part who went 45 games or so without a goal.​

Cyclones Rock said:

Anyone who real thinks that a player like Karlsson moves the meter for a hockey team in a substantial way doesn't get NHL hockey personnel options. Wild Beel-type players are available all the time during the off season and usually make the waiver wires weekly during the season. As an added bonus, most of them will even throw a check.


The "kicker" is, I'm not even sure anybody has even claimed that the team didn't make a mistake in hindsight. The issue I have is, unlike you, most of the other people acknowledge this hindsight. And they also don't attempt to make a point by mocking an opinion that they themselves felt and expressed for a decent period of time. Vegas was never taking Jack Johnson.​

To be fair, he has at one point acknowledged that he got that wrong... he just then immediately segues into "BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER", and absolutely refuses to ever consider whether or not similar considerations might apply to, oh, anyone else on the roster. So he pays lip service to the idea of acknowledging error while steadfastly refusing to learn a thing from it.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

People, people, people: no fighting in the war room.

 

[thebus88]

To be fair, he has at one point acknowledged that he got that wrong... he just then immediately segues into "BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER",

Right, which makes the quote, "Anyone who real thinks that a player like Karlsson moves the meter for a hockey team in a substantial way doesn't get NHL hockey personnel options."

That much "better"....

 

[cslebn]

People, people, people: no fighting in the war room.

But he'll see the big board