Player Discussion Anthony DeAngelo (Mod warning in OP and post 197. READ IT)

[McRanger]

He also might have had a “stomach flu” which isn’t the flu.

Those viruses can really knock you out of commission.

 

[TGWL]

Yeah I mean they're only like 50 percent effective in a good year, so why even bother, right? I mean why would anyone want to reduce their likelihood of getting the flu?

Exactly. I don't bother.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Looks like hes back in the lineup tonight.. Lets see what he can do

 

[Kovalev27]

This kid is worrying be big time

1 assist and a minus 5 in 10 games. 22 years old now. Third team. Big big problems here.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

This kid is worrying be big time

1 assist and a minus 5 in 10 games. 22 years old now. Third team. Big big problems here.

I'm a bit disappointed with the points, but honestly I haven't watched a lick of AHL hockey this year so I don't know how he's playing defensively. Maybe they want him to just focus on that? We already know he has the tools offensively so it wouldn't be the the most far fetched idea if they don't him to stop being aggressive and focus on defense. I have no idea though.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

This kid is worrying be big time

1 assist and a minus 5 in 10 games. 22 years old now. Third team. Big big problems here.

To be fair HWP is not a good team so I wouldn’t look much into +/- numbers.. more concerned with his play than the result on the stat sheet.

 

[Kupo]

22 years old now.

An offensive Dmen not ready at the ripe age of 22?

Shocker.

Everyone, panic!

 

[Kovalev27]

Um he was fine offensively in the AHL prior to coming to this organization. Fine last year in the nhl putting up pts. But he’s been demoted and clearly is taking it badly. So yeah at 22 in a league that Incase you’ve been under a rock is getting younger and younger. So regressing at 22 is VERY troubling.

 

[TheRightWay]

An offensive Dmen not ready at the ripe age of 22?

Shocker.

Everyone, panic!

Could you put together the list of successful offensive defensemen in the NHL who were crappy in the AHL at 22? I must be missing a whole bunch of them if you're not concerned.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Could you put together the list of successful offensive defensemen in the NHL who were crappy in the AHL at 22? I must be missing a whole bunch of them if you're not concerned.

Agreed. Most players reach their peak at 24-25. I'm not saying ADA is a bum at this point, but he probably doesn't have much growing to do. But at this point I would hope for him to be showing alot more than he is.

 

[Fitzy]

22, incidentally, was the age NYR gave up on Sanguinetti and traded him for a 2nd and 6th.

For a different and more optimistic outlook, it took Dan Boyle until 24 to crack the NHL on a full time regular basis.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Clearly DeAngelo was a tweener this year.. He probably deserved to stay up over kampfer. For a 1st round draft pick who finally was ready and competing for a NHL spot he undoubtedly thinks he deserves, being sent down was probably a massive disappointment. The game is as much mental as physical.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think (and hope) that he pulls it together. Writing him off at this point is silly though

I will say though he seems like one of those guys that gets disappointed easily and things go downhill from there. Based on what other people have said it seems like that might be true (I.e if things are going well with the team he is easier to deal with)

Him being sent down when he probably deserved to stay up did not help in that department. Hopefully he figures it out

 

[Fitzy]

I think (and hope) that he pulls it together. Writing him off at this point is silly though

I will say though he seems like one of those guys that gets disappointed easily and things go downhill from there. Based on what other people have said it seems like that might be true (I.e if things are going well with the team he is easier to deal with)

Him being sent down when he probably deserved to stay up did not help in that department. Hopefully he figures it out

I think the key question is whether this NYR team need another right handed offense-heavy defenseman right now.

In theory you can balance Skjei with Shattenkirk and McDonagh with DeAngelo, but you need

A) DeAngelo's offensive influence to be worth it
B) The third pairing to be a reliable shutdown pair (Requires Staal and either Smith or Holden to be reliable)

But pragmatically, it seems to me that until Kampfer royally f***s up, AV is going to count on him to be the #7 this year and give the kids a year in the minors. Even if it means a Stu Bickel 5 d situation in the playoffs.

Maybe its unfair, but as I and other have mentioned, ADA's chance to get a free ride ala Del Zotto's 2nd year dies with Shattenkirk. And If I'm AV while the possible positive impact of DeAngelo on the 2nd PP unit is alluring, it isn't offset by defensive zone concerns.

 

[Machinehead]

Um he was fine offensively in the AHL prior to coming to this organization. Fine last year in the nhl putting up pts. But he’s been demoted and clearly is taking it badly. So yeah at 22 in a league that Incase you’ve been under a rock is getting younger and younger. So regressing at 22 is VERY troubling.

He's better than more than one guy on the NHL roster, so yeah, he should be taking it badly.

 

[Kupo]

Could you put together the list of successful offensive defensemen in the NHL who were crappy in the AHL at 22? I must be missing a whole bunch of them if you're not concerned.

No, I’d rather not invest my valuable time in researching that. Because:

1). It won’t directly apply to DeAngelo. Sorry.

2). It’s common knowledge dmen develop at later ages than forwards. Sorry.

3). DeAngelo has been trying to adapt to three different teams and different systems since being drafted. **** takes time, whether you agree with it or not. Sorry.

Question for you:

Is DeAngelo going to be a regular NHL dmen in his career, in your professional opinion...?

And...

Is DeAngelo allergic to Shellfish?

I’m very critical of DeAngelo. Despite being 22, he’s still raw. He’s not a finished product. He’s still learning; still developing.

His skill-set, vision, and overall puck skills are exceptional. He might just develop into a PP specialist. Or, he might improve enough defensively where he can be labeled as a respectable Top-4 dmen.

I have always believed in having young players “earn” their ice time. I think being called up and sent down is healthy. With DeAngelo though, I feel differently.

Play him. Utilize him in advantages situations. He can learn so much from watching and playing with a guy like Shatty. McD. And Skjei.

You very well might be right. He could turn out to me nothing. Nobody knows. It’s a gamble. There’s always risk. You need some luck, sometimes.

At the end of the day, having watched plenty of DeAngelo. The risk is damn well worth the reward. He can develop into the next Shattenkirk. A premiere offensive dmen.

Just because he hasn’t accomplished that feat doesn’t make him a bust.

Have some patience.

 

[TGWL]

This kid is worrying be big time

1 assist and a minus 5 in 10 games. 22 years old now. Third team. Big big problems here.

Tony looked a little frustrated last time I saw him. A few weeks ago at the XL Center, he stayed on the rink for nearly an entire power-play, playing the half-wall and turning it over on every breakout rush up the ice. Looked to be in a good mood before the game started. His teammates seemed to like him, joking around and some bromance before the game.

 

[NYR Viper]

I am not understanding why Kampfer gets unlimited chances while DeAngelo, who had a much better pre-season, isn't with the team. The only thing I can think of is that Gorton had been trying to move Holden but didn't like any of the offers. Being unable to waive either Holden or Kampfer without possibly losing them meant sending DeAngelo down for maybe half of the year or so and they gave him some things to continue to work on.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Does anyone know if McCambridge is using him in a defense-heavy fashion? I don’t care about his offensive production in the AHL because we’ve seen him absolutely clown people in the offensive zone in the NHL. I think it was the Colorado or Pitt game where he dangled the puck throughout the entire offensive zone like Willy Nylander’s done for Toronto. The offensive skill and talent is there, but he needs serious work making reads and switches in the neutral and offensive zone. Anyone writing him off already needs to stop being dramatic. He’s a 22 year old kid that’s trying to pick up his defensive game. This isn’t that unusual.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I am not understanding why Kampfer gets unlimited chances while DeAngelo, who had a much better pre-season, isn't with the team. The only thing I can think of is that Gorton had been trying to move Holden but didn't like any of the offers. Being unable to waive either Holden or Kampfer without possibly losing them meant sending DeAngelo down for maybe half of the year or so and they gave him some things to continue to work on.

DeAngelo started on the team and dominated possession stat wise with mcdonagh. Not saying that Deangelo should be a 1st pair guy. But I think we lost a ton. AV looked at whos to blame and saw Rookie DMan. Whether he was at fault or not. We can look at the horror that was our defensive usage last playoffs

 

[Trxjw]

Too easy to read into the stat line and determine the kid is playing badly. He needs to learn how to defend, and more than likely that's what he's focusing on in Hartford. The Rangers don't need him with the big club right now, and they certainly don't need a PP specialist with Shattenkirk in the mix. What they need is DeAngelo to learn how to be a viable NHL defensemen, and there's no rush for that to happen this season.

He's a project. He's always been a project. He was the "plus" in the Stepan deal. The pick and freed up cap space were the key assets there. They spent their cap space effectively -- and that's is coming from a guy who really wanted no part of Shattenkirk unless it was an extremely team-friendly deal -- and the draft pick is TBD. People need to evaluate ADA month to month, not day to day.

 

[RangerBlues]

Complete bust.
Get over it and move on.

 

[darko]

Does anyone know if McCambridge is using him in a defense-heavy fashion? I don’t care about his offensive production in the AHL because we’ve seen him absolutely clown people in the offensive zone in the NHL. I think it was the Colorado or Pitt game where he dangled the puck throughout the entire offensive zone like Willy Nylander’s done for Toronto. The offensive skill and talent is there, but he needs serious work making reads and switches in the neutral and offensive zone. Anyone writing him off already needs to stop being dramatic. He’s a 22 year old kid that’s trying to pick up his defensive game. This isn’t that unusual.

Great post.

 

[aufheben]

Offense isn't what is going to get him back into the Rangers top-6, so I don't know how concerned I'd be about his point totals.

But, for the sake of argument, sample sizes can't get much smaller than 10 games...he could score 3 points next game and all of the sudden it's 5 in 11.

 

[eco's bones]

DeAngelo had a very good camp. His regular season has been a struggle. I don't want to see the offense from his game go away--to me that is his bread and butter. He does have to learn how to defend there and it's not always an easy thing for an undersized defenseman--and one that likes to take chances. Pairing him with a bigger, stronger reliable defense partner is the best way to go and IMO on Hartford that would be Graves but I'm not sure Graves is having a great season either. I like the defensive group in Hartford quite a lot but the team isn't functioning very well. The goaltending has been spotty and the forward lines are lacking in depth.....and it's not a league where it's easy to score goals. You don't see players having 100 point seasons. Anyone who can put up a point a game is an elite player in that league.

Back to Tony.....the way he breaks out of this is to play better. It won't guarantee that he will make it back to the Rangers but he's got no chance if he doesn't. Thinking your better than other D on the Rangers is beside the point and he can't let it be a distraction and sulking is not an option.....being pissed can help though if you use it in a positive way. Personally though when the Rangers signed Shattenkirk (and I'm glad they did) that hurt DeAngelo's chances a lot.