Player Discussion Alain Vigneault Part VI

[RGY]

Its one thing to lose games, but to have this effort ALL SEASON LONG is completely unacceptable and it falls on the coach. A whole team not being able to play 60 minutes of hard hockey shows a lack of respect for the coaching staff.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Wait until the end of the season.

We need to give ourselves the best possible chance to draft Dahlin.

 

[Inferno]

The teams flat out quit on him.

 

[smoneil]

I literally only check on this thread to see if AV has been fired yet and to see what new contortionist routine Bleed Ranger Blue has bent himself into to try and convince people that AV is doing a good job.

 

[ponytrekker]

I will give JG credit for one thing though. If he goes ahead and fires AV and the team gets a spark and picks it up a bit no esta bueno.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The teams flat out quit on him.

That, and Kreider + Shattenkirk being out for a long time.

If I could pick any coach to lead this team, I'd go with Lavi

 

[True Blue]

The teams flat out quit on him.

It is an awful combination of the team quiting on him, the amount of injuries to the team's better players, AV STILL not adapting his system to fit the personnel on the ice, and (outside of Henke) an absolute void of anything resembling leadership on the team.

 

[True Blue]

I literally only check on this thread to see if AV has been fired yet and to see what new contortionist routine Bleed Ranger Blue has bent himself into to try and convince people that AV is doing a good job.

It is not ALL on AV. There are many injuries (yes, I know that every team gets hit with them). The absolute depleted farm system. However, not coming out ready to play is ALL on the coach. Running around the defensive zone like chickens with heads cut off is ALL on the coach.

The question now is this. How is it possible that aside from DeAngelo, neither Graves not Pionk has been even given a glimmer of a chance? Always better to go with the safe, reliable vet.

 

[LeetchisGod]

It is not ALL on AV. There are many injuries (yes, I know that every team gets hit with them). The absolute depleted farm system. However, not coming out ready to play is ALL on the coach. Running around the defensive zone like chickens with heads cut off is ALL on the coach.

The question now is this. How is it possible that aside from DeAngelo, neither Graves not Pionk has been even given a glimmer of a chance? Always better to go with the safe, reliable vet.

Honestly I'd rather wait until next year to play Graves and Pionk. No defenseman looks good consistently in this system. I wouldn't want them developing bad habits.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I’ll take him down to the Pine Barrens, don’t worry, this will never lead back to us

 

[Player big P]

I’ll take him down to the Pine Barrens, don’t worry, this will never lead back to us

The last time you tried that it went terribly

 

[silverfish]

You know, I had a feeling last night after the game that AV would be fired today. I didn't post it, because what good does that do, but if Gorton and Sather are talking today.......

 

[Irishguy42]

Itshappening.gif?

 

[Riche16]

After his quote after the game last night... pretty sure he has to go.

They were ready and were doing what they had to????

McD said it was the WORST game he’s been in as a NYR

WTF IS AV THINKING?!?

I mean yeah it’s jut a quote to reporters in the end it means almost nothing... but after that display to say “Its working” is just either lying or being blatantly obtuse.

 

[Ori]

Yeah it was not great game since the game started - Nash had an unassisted goal and it says it all. And the coaching staff is struggling, and I`m not sure what they are trying to do out there - the team and coaching staff look lost to me.

 

[LeetchisGod]

If AV isn't fired in the offseason, then Gorton should be.

 

[GordonGecko]

the exit interviews will be the end of him

 

[Trxjw]

You know, I had a feeling last night after the game that AV would be fired today. I didn't post it, because what good does that do, but if Gorton and Sather are talking today.......

Didn't you just say the Smith move is indicative of Gorton and AV being on the same page?

 

[silverfish]

Didn't you just say the Smith move is indicative of Gorton and AV being on the same page?

I'm all over the map. My heart says no, but my brain says yes. More often than not, my gut listens to my heart.

This is like a bad Celine Dion song.

 

[Ori]

Well sometimes facebook is accurate, but I don`t always trust the source.

 

[True Blue]

If AV isn't fired in the offseason, then Gorton should be.

The decision may be Sather's.

 

[Ori]

Yes, Glen Sather has the final word in this, but I would not go that far to consider a new GM.

 

[Inferno]

Av will almost for sure be fired in the off-season. Gorton had the chance to talk about ave future and he refused to go beyond this season...cms give the old..he's our coach forever rah rah crap all the time...but Gorton was like..we like av..we have faith in av...but I can't answer that now (regarding his future)

 

[will1066]

AV qualifies as a "familiar face" mentioned in the official memorandum. If we continue to put out an on-ice product as bad as it has been, he doesn't make it to the end of the season. Losing is one thing. Losing badly every game is the end.

 

[Chimpradamus]

How a coach that has an excellent goaltender doesn't have in his vocabulary to play a more conservative and simple hockey to grind out wins when necessary, is enough for me to conclude that Vigneault is not the right coach for NYR anymore, in any way.

He produced a great, opportunistic offense, but when the cost is a horrible defense and non-existant neutral play, an inability to coach in game and an inability to adapt to his stubborn strategy; this won't do. Especially to add his weird treatment of players.

Even if the team is riddled with injuries, they should in no way be so owned when they have Lundqvist. Period. THAT is on the coach.

Adaption should be a coaching quality. It doesn't exist in Vigneault's mind.