Player Discussion Alain Vigneault Part VI

[Samuel Culper III]

If after what 4 ****ing years, the team is losing people in the slot, either guys are clueless or the system sucks,

I don’t think our D corps is especially great on the defensive side of the puck, but AV’s man to man scheme is probably the worst strategy any team employs. It’s not only needlessly complicated and difficult to execute, but it also doesn’t cater to our personnel at all. The fact that it’s still being used is inexcusable.

 

[aufheben]

I don’t think our D corps is especially great on the defensive side of the puck, but AV’s man to man scheme is probably the worst strategy any team employs. It’s not only needlessly complicated and difficult to execute, but it also doesn’t cater to our personnel at all. The fact that it’s still being used is inexcusable.

In my opinion you do not need a great group of defensemen to be at least not-abhorrent defensively. My concern with ditching AV is not whether or not our defense would improve, but how the offense would be affected.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

If we replace AV (God Please) I would love to try and get Sheldon Keefe in the offseason, just try to deal with Ruff for the rest of the year

 

[LeetchisGod]

In my opinion you do not need a great group of defensemen to be at least not-abhorrent defensively. My concern with ditching AV is not whether or not our defense would improve, but how the offense would be affected.

I'm willing to risk it. As today demonstrated, You can't play run and gun hockey against teams that have more talented forwards than you do.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

My terrifying to behold internet fury and venom are soon going to be hurled and spat in gortons direction too. Enough of this clown college, keystone cops, cockatoo crap. Av is an overly prideful, weakminded imbecile. Get some goddamn ability to motivate or get the f*** out.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

His system is a complete dumpster fire in the D zone and we don't have the offensive firepower cover that

 

[NickyFotiu]

AV is in a really tough place right now. The team isn't giving enough effort. As a amateur coach you can send messages but for NHL pros his hands are mostly tied. I once cut my rotation down to 7 guys to send a message after we were down 4-0. We would only rotate 1 guy on defense and 1 on offense. I benched 3 defensemen and 8 forwards and it worked. We had a monster comeback to win that game 7-5. AV can not do something like that. I pissed some parents off but the kids that were benched mostly got excited and started cheering on their buddies.

 

[Ori]

Hopefully a new system soon.

 

[Nickmo82]

Hopefully a new system soon.

Literally the only way that'll happen is if AV is fired. He seems far too stubborn/in love with himself to ever admit fault and change his system.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

His offensive system is just as much of a dumpster fire.

 

[darko]

Sadly i think he has to go. Defensive system doesn't work and to me it looks like he's lost the locker room.

What i don't want is to go back to Renney/Torts days where we grind out 2-1/1-0 wins.

 

[darko]

His offensive system is just as much of a dumpster fire.

Offense under AV is fine.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Sadly i think he has to go. Defensive system doesn't work and to me it looks like he's lost the locker room.

What i don't want is to go back to Renney/Torts days where we grind out 2-1/1-0 wins.

I don't either. There has to be a happy medium, although part of the problem is personnel as well, which we have to acknowledge.

 

[darko]

I don't either. There has to be a happy medium, although part of the problem is personnel as well, which we have to acknowledge.

Oh for sure.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Oh for sure.

It's frustrating. I just want to know what the hell happened after 14-15 that we went from a great team to a total abomination? Was the system changed that drastically? Did we just lose too many effective players? I don't get it

 

[Rangers2319]

if we miss the playoffs i think hes gone

 

[Rangers2319]

Something is seriously rotten in that locker room... reading Uncle Larry's article and seeing Hank just rip into the team as he came into the game is all you need to know.

Something drastic has to happen

is there a link for this video? i must have missed it somehow

 

[Inferno]

I think our offensive system kinda sucks too. Our entire game plan is quick strike. So we never have the puck. It's a one and done game plan...you either score or you don't. This is why we bleed shots and chances against...our offensive game
Plan is to basically never have the puck on our stick. Also because of this plan the gaps between our forwards and defenseman are gigantic. This also kills us defensively.

 

[Ori]

Yes, @Inferno I`m all in here with that content and agree whole heartly. I almost dislike our offense at times - it`s basically chase the puck when we need possession since we can`t connect passes out of our own D zone to create something and to be honest it would look extremely dull and ineffective without a player like Grabner, but u can`t base your whole system on such players.

 

[Tawnos]

You know what I’m especially willing to try?

LA and Pittsburgh won Cups by switching coaches right near the midpoint of the season.

Maybe if we replace AV, we can catch lightning in a bottle the same way.

 

[Ori]

I think we need another piece on our defense to strengthen it + a sniper @Tawnos , but it will be hard to acquire this season 2017/18 season, but hopefully in the next summer window.

 

[Inferno]

You know what I’m especially willing to try?

LA and Pittsburgh won Cups by switching coaches right near the midpoint of the season.

Maybe if we replace AV, we can catch lightning in a bottle the same way.

Ugh no. Sell. Hoping and praying to a cup is not the way to go.

 

[Captain Lindy]

AV is in a really tough place right now. The team isn't giving enough effort. As a amateur coach you can send messages but for NHL pros his hands are mostly tied. I once cut my rotation down to 7 guys to send a message after we were down 4-0. We would only rotate 1 guy on defense and 1 on offense. I benched 3 defensemen and 8 forwards and it worked. We had a monster comeback to win that game 7-5. AV can not do something like that. I pissed some parents off but the kids that were benched mostly got excited and started cheering on their buddies.

The maddening part is that as long as this team gets some "good looks" it's all peachy with this coach.

 

[Captain Lindy]

I think our offensive system kinda sucks too. Our entire game plan is quick strike. So we never have the puck. It's a one and done game plan...you either score or you don't. This is why we bleed shots and chances against...our offensive game
Plan is to basically never have the puck on our stick. Also because of this plan the gaps between our forwards and defenseman are gigantic. This also kills us defensively.

If a team takes away our stretch pass, we lose. They have no plan B.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Its time.

Thats enough