Speculation: Acq./Rost. Bldg./Cap Part XLI (Poll added 2/12)

ChibiPooky · Feb 5, 2015

For the Kane discussion:

BrooklynCapsFan · Feb 5, 2015

I'd rather gamble on Kane @ $5.25 for a few years than give that deal to Brouwer in January.

Brouwer + a pick for Kane in the offseason or Brouwer, Chimera, picks for Kane now.

BobRouse · Feb 5, 2015

ChibiPooky said:
For the Kane discussion:

I wonder what that "top asset" could be?

Burakovsky+Chimera+Erskine

I still don't do that but thats just me.

BiPolar Caps · Feb 5, 2015

BobRouse said:
I wonder what that "top asset" could be?

Burakovsky+Chimera+Erskine

I still don't do that but thats just me.

Change Burakovsky to Vrana and I'm good with that.

Blades of Steel · Feb 5, 2015

I'd take Kane, he's got the toughness as well. always been a cap killer I feel like. I have a feeling he ends up with the Pens cause, just cause.

BiPolar Caps · Feb 5, 2015

BrooklynCapsFan said:
I'd rather gamble on Kane @ $5.25 for a few years than give that deal to Brouwer in January.

Brouwer + a pick for Kane in the offseason or Brouwer, Chimera, picks for Kane now.

I think moving Brouwer at this time might be detrimental to locker room dynamics. Not the same case with Chimera, after seeing his reaction to the camera man during the Epix taping after being told that he was a scratch, he's probably real "butt hurt" after the latest scratch. Wonder what his relationship might be like now with Trotz.

EroCaps · Feb 5, 2015

Kane's numbers are less impressive than I thought. Is he really that much better than Brouwer?

His physical game I like.

Prefer they get a C.

BrooklynCapsFan · Feb 5, 2015

BiPolar Caps said:
I think moving Brouwer at this time might be detrimental to locker room dynamics. Not the same case with Chimera, after seeing his reaction to the camera man during the Epix taping after being told that he was a scratch, he's probably real "butt hurt" after the latest scratch. Wonder what his relationship might be like now with Trotz.

I tend to agree. Kane is an interesting piece if he is still available in June. I think the forwards will be remade this offseason...especially after Trotz sees firsthand what Johansson and Brouwer have to offer in the postseason.

Stewie G · Feb 5, 2015

BiPolar Caps said:
Change Burakovsky to Vrana and I'm good with that.

Even if the price has fallen, I imagine they can get more than a recent first rounder, a struggling $2M forward signed for another year and a $2M cap dump that might never play again. They can probably find a team that wouldn't require them to take on 2 cap dumps like that. The Caps would have to provide some extra incentive for the Jets to take them. Vrana + conditional 2nd rounder (1st if Caps make ECF) + Chimera + Erskine might get them thinking.

Blades of Steel · Feb 5, 2015

I like Kane but I don't think he's "the piece" we need.

trick9 · Feb 5, 2015

Ehhh...

I don't see him in Winnipeg in June.

BobRouse · Feb 5, 2015

BiPolar Caps said:
I think moving Brouwer at this time might be detrimental to locker room dynamics. Not the same case with Chimera, after seeing his reaction to the camera man during the Epix taping after being told that he was a scratch, he's probably real "butt hurt" after the latest scratch. Wonder what his relationship might be like now with Trotz.

BiPolar Caps said:
Change Burakovsky to Vrana and I'm good with that.

I agree on Brouwer.

Winnipeg will want someone who can help them now. They are in the playoff mix.

I could see them wanting Bura but definitely not Vrana.

FYI

Kane is averaging 1.1 ESP per 60 minutes.

Evander Kane 13 ESP in 37 games
Troy Brouwer 17 ESP in 51 games

Kane is really struggling this year. He also may have some injury issues as reported.

Jackstrom19 · Feb 5, 2015

How has Vrana been playing since we drafted him? Has his stock gone up/down? Are will still happy with that pick?

BiPolar Caps · Feb 5, 2015

BrooklynCapsFan said:
I tend to agree. Kane is an interesting piece if he is still available in June. I think the forwards will be remade this offseason...especially after Trotz sees firsthand what Johansson and Brouwer have to offer in the postseason.

Based on some speculation in a few messages above regarding what MAJO might garner as an RFA, I know you and I are in agreement in not having any heartburn in him being moved out after this season.

Say a MAJO/Vrana for Kane :dunno:

First line next season might look like Ovie - Backstrom - Kane

Figure Ward departs so they would look at Burakovsky as the RW on the second line, Brouwer on the third line (Laich - Fehr - Brouwer)

BrooklynCapsFan · Feb 5, 2015

Jackstrom19 said:
How has Vrana been playing since we drafted him? Has his stock gone up/down? Are will still happy with that pick?

Who on earth was happy with that pick with Dylan Larkin on the board?

g00n · Feb 5, 2015

ChibiPooky said:
For the Kane discussion:

I was going to mention "motivated seller" earlier but forgot. This could be a "buy low" moment. Especially if the rumor BR mentioned about race is the big issue. I'm reluctant to push that angle since there's probably no way to confirm it, but the possibility is interesting.

If Kane is really done in WPG then they will probably take whatever they can get. How many teams are likely in the mix? "One top asset" could mean a single 1st or 2nd round pick. So Chimmer and a 2nd? Mojo and a pick? T-bro and a pick? I'm sure there could be some cap wangling.

Blades of Steel · Feb 5, 2015

BiPolar Caps said:
Based on some speculation in a few messages above regarding what MAJO might garner as an RFA, I know you and I are in agreement in not having any heartburn in him being moved out after this season.

Say a MAJO/Vrana for Kane

First line next season might look like Ovie - Backstrom - Kane

Figure Ward departs so they would look at Burakovsky as the RW on the second line, Brouwer on the third line (Laich - Fehr - Brouwer)

not saying that he couldn't play RW but isn't Kane a LW? Did we really fill a hole by signing Kane and moving mojo and Vrana?

ChibiPooky · Feb 5, 2015

Interesting, via stats.hockeyanalysis.com - Kane's possession stats fall when he's with Scheifele or Wheeler - and so do Scheifele/Wheeler's. Sum is less than the parts.

trick9 · Feb 5, 2015

Jets would take it and run if they were offered Johansson and Vrana for Kane.

ChibiPooky said:
Interesting, via stats.hockeyanalysis.com - Kane's possession stats fall when he's with Scheifele or Wheeler - and so do Scheifele/Wheeler's. Sum is less than the parts.

I noticed that too. Was wondering that why he plays with Scheifele that much if it's clearly not working. On ES Scheifele is his 2nd most frequent line-mate (40.2%), only behind Big Buff (41.2%).

EroCaps · Feb 5, 2015

Blades of steel said:
not saying that he couldn't play RW but isn't Kane a LW? Did we really fill a hole by signing Kane and moving mojo and Vrana?

That's a brutal deal. I wouldn't move MoJo for Kane.

Chimera/Hillen/whatever and a 2nd.

BobRouse · Feb 5, 2015

g00n said:
I was going to mention "motivated seller" earlier but forgot. This could be a "buy low" moment. Especially if the rumor BR mentioned about race is the big issue. I'm reluctant to push that angle since there's probably no way to confirm it, but the possibility is interesting.

If Kane is really done in WPG then they will probably take whatever they can get. How many teams are likely in the mix? "One top asset" could mean a single 1st or 2nd round pick. So Chimmer and a 2nd? Mojo and a pick? T-bro and a pick? I'm sure there could be some cap wangling.

Yeah I don't put much stock into the "race card" rumors but they are out there.

I wouldn't trade Brouwer. If we get Kane we'd need Brouwer to help keep him in line.

MJ+Chimera+Vrana/1st I have to admit would be VERY intriguing and perhaps worth the risk.

His skillset is undeniable.

BrooklynCapsFan · Feb 5, 2015

BiPolar Caps said:
Based on some speculation in a few messages above regarding what MAJO might garner as an RFA, I know you and I are in agreement in not having any heartburn in him being moved out after this season.

Say a MAJO/Vrana for Kane

First line next season might look like Ovie - Backstrom - Kane

Figure Ward departs so they would look at Burakovsky as the RW on the second line, Brouwer on the third line (Laich - Fehr - Brouwer)

I'm not opposed to moving Johansson in the right deal but I do want to see how he performs this postseason. I think we could get more for him.

Zoidberg Jesus · Feb 5, 2015

Jackstrom19 said:
How has Vrana been playing since we drafted him? Has his stock gone up/down? Are will still happy with that pick?

12th best U19 season in SEL history so far.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/league_total.php?season=%&leagueid=SHL&leagueteam=&nation=&sort=u19

Blades of Steel · Feb 5, 2015

EroCaps said:
That's a brutal deal. I wouldn't move MoJo for Kane.

Chimera/Hillen/whatever and a 2nd.

right, agreed.

I'm not so eager to move Vrana for anyone (or the other kids) unless it's a packaged definite big return type of deal. A player like Pavelski for example.

Jackstrom19 · Feb 5, 2015

BrooklynCapsFan said:
Who on earth was happy with that pick with Dylan Larkin on the board?

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1697811

Seems like pretty much everyone was ok with it. Actually, as I reread, I'm not seeing anything about anybody wanting Larkin? Thanks for answering the question though

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