Value of: A goal-scoring winger to SJ

[CanadienShark]

Option B is accepted.

The 3 guys I suggested are a step plus above AHL fodder, but they are also nothing to write home about. No problem with simplifying this down.

Thought you wanted still more help, so I brought up Puempel and Pirri to meet you more than halfway, but in a revised scenario w/no Wingels, Boedker or Girardi, there is no need to try and balance with P and P.

I did not immediately see this specific package, nor notice the cap dif would be truly negligible.

I accept the deal as is, or would provide you with option to reacquire Tierney's RFA rights for a conditional 7th, your choice.


Dillon @ 3.27 x 4 [no retention]
Tierney @ .711 - RFA [no retention]
Mueller
Bergman
2017 1st

For

Nash @ 3.9 x 2 [Rangers retain half]
2018 2nd (Ottawa's)
2018 3rd


Congrats on getting the core of what I initiated over the finish line.


Am gonna wait on some SJ fan feedback before taking to Ranger board.
looking forward to hearing everybody's 2 cents.

It works for me.

 

[Juxtaposer]

If the Rangers retain 50% on Nash, they'll be doing it to get the right pieces coming back. I don't see it being a quality for quantity deal.

Unfortunately, ex-stars over 30 rarely get quality. They get packages.

 

[bernmeister]

It works for me.

that's a yes
running total now:
Result is +10, -4

 

[bernmeister]

....Our expendable assets to balance the cap = Dillon and/or one of Boedker/Ward/Karlsson (pending RFA @ 1.65M). I'll take one more stab at this:

Dillon + Karlsson + Mueller + Bergman + 1st for Nash @ 4.8 M + 2018 2nd + 2018 3rd.

If you figure we bring up Heed to play 7th D and Demelo plays bottom pair once he is back from broken wrist, the cap for this year is roughly equal. NYR saves 1-1/2 M on next years cap if they don't choose to extend Karlsson (sure you could swap his rights for picks, he is a pretty good career bottom sixer).

Let me compare the above to my jointly approved offer on which we are taking a head count:

Dillon @ 3.27 x 4 [no retention]
Tierney @ .711 - RFA [no retention]
Mueller
Bergman
2017 1st

For

Nash @ 3.9 x 2 [Rangers retain half]
2018 2nd (Ottawa's)
2018 3rd

assuming that unspecified 2018 2nd remains Ottawa's,

if I am reading this correctly,
the differences are
swapping out Karlson for Tierney
and Nash's salary in one at 3.9 and in the other at 4.8

I am not sure I get why changes requested
(pls explain)

but in any event, it is obviously close enough to not be a dealbreaker to what
jMoneyBrah finalized.

On that basis, if there is no objection by Owen11
I will consider that a yes for purposes of our head count.

that's a yes
running total now:
Result is +11, -4

 

[Trxjw]

Unfortunately, ex-stars over 30 rarely get quality. They get packages.

I'm not saying it won't be a package, I'm saying that if they retain that much, the deal will have more quality in the package.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Let me compare the above to my jointly approved offer on which we are taking a head count:
...

that's a yes
running total now:
Result is +11, -4

Unfortunately, I think the running +/- total is a bit disingenuous as this is heavily weighted by Sharks fan responses. My running total looks like this:

Sharks: +9/-3 (12 votes)
Rangers: +2/-1 (3 votes)

 

[Nolan11]

Let me compare the above to my jointly approved offer on which we are taking a head count:

Dillon @ 3.27 x 4 [no retention]
Tierney @ .711 - RFA [no retention]
Mueller
Bergman
2017 1st

For

Nash @ 3.9 x 2 [Rangers retain half]
2018 2nd (Ottawa's)
2018 3rd

assuming that unspecified 2018 2nd remains Ottawa's,

if I am reading this correctly,
the differences are
swapping out Karlson for Tierney
and Nash's salary in one at 3.9 and in the other at 4.8

I am not sure I get why changes requested
(pls explain)

but in any event, it is obviously close enough to not be a dealbreaker to what
jMoneyBrah finalized.

On that basis, if there is no objection by Owen11
I will consider that a yes for purposes of our head count.

that's a yes
running total now:
Result is +11, -4

You are not putting words in my mouth, sir. I concur, if your deal went down I'd be happy to have Nash on our team (@ that cap and paying those pieces)

 

[bernmeister]

You are not putting words in my mouth, sir. I concur, if your deal went down I'd be happy to have Nash on our team (@ that cap and paying those pieces)

thanks for clarifying...

Unfortunately, I think the running +/- total is a bit disingenuous as this is heavily weighted by Sharks fan responses. My running total looks like this:

Sharks: +9/-3 (12 votes)
Rangers: +2/-1 (3 votes)

Nah, nothing disingenuous; all responses tabulated are legit and accurate.
SJ has had more urgent need to do this deal NOW
I believe once Ranger fans look in the mirror, long enough, it will be super clear we need to move Nash; at that point only ? is the return

Keep 'em coming, guys (and gals)

 

[Mattb124]

SJ has no urgent need to do anything now.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

No offense burn, but I think this might be your best proposal.

 

[bernmeister]

No offense burn, but I think this might be your best proposal.

none taken
thanks
you may be right

that said,
full props to jMoneyBrah
for finalizing it

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

SJ has no urgent need to do anything now.

I think the main thing Doug Wilson and Peter DeBoer need to figure out if they want to move Hertl to 3C or keep him as a top line W. Either way, there is one position to fill. Tierney as 3C is not going to cut it against the really good playoff teams, so we either need to definitely do 'something' before the TDL.

 

[leafy84]

lol...a little short on 2nds are we? How about a prospect of equal value?

yeah because we already have their 2017 and 2018 2nd rd picks

 

[Vaasa]

I think the main thing Doug Wilson and Peter DeBoer need to figure out if they want to move Hertl to 3C or keep him as a top line W. Either way, there is one position to fill. Tierney as 3C is not going to cut it against the really good playoff teams, so we either need to definitely do 'something' before the TDL.

In theory, they could always move Marleau to 3C.

Hertl - JT - Pavs
Labanc - Couture - Donskoi
Boedker - Marleau - Meier/Karlsson
Karlsson/Tierney - Carpenter - Ward
Haley

And that lets them send Meier down if needed, and still leaves Haley or Tierney as the 13th forward.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

In theory, they could always move Marleau to 3C.

Hertl - JT - Pavs
Labanc - Couture - Donskoi
Boedker - Marleau - Meier/Karlsson
Karlsson/Tierney - Carpenter - Ward
Haley

And that lets them send Meier down if needed, and still leaves Haley or Tierney as the 13th forward.

Marleu as a C just has not worked that great over the last couple of years. I would rather let him play Wing where he is actually an impact player.

 

[Gilligans Island]

In theory, they could always move Marleau to 3C.

Hertl - JT - Pavs
Labanc - Couture - Donskoi
Boedker - Marleau - Meier/Karlsson
Karlsson/Tierney - Carpenter - Ward
Haley

And that lets them send Meier down if needed, and still leaves Haley or Tierney as the 13th forward.

Why would you break up the Marleau - Couture - Boedker line that's doing so well right now?

And Patty is not a great C anymore.

 

[Vaasa]

Marleu as a C just has not worked that great over the last couple of years. I would rather let him play Wing where he is actually an impact player.

Why would you break up the Marleau - Couture - Boedker line that's doing so well right now?

And Patty is not a great C anymore.

You folks did notice I said "In theory...", right? I am not advocating for it. I just brought up that it's not like the Sharks HAVE to go get either a center or a winger.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

You folks did notice I said "In theory...", right? I am not advocating for it. I just brought up that it's not like the Sharks HAVE to go get either a center or a winger.

They don't have to do anything at all. We are trying to make a trade with the intention of improving the team. Getting a winger or center helps. Moving to Patty may be an option but it is not a very practical one.

 

[Gilligans Island]

You folks did notice I said "In theory...", right? I am not advocating for it. I just brought up that it's not like the Sharks HAVE to go get either a center or a winger.

Sure but well, in theory, Pavelski could move to 3C but I wouldn't even suggest it.

 

[Vaasa]

As I've said on Sharks forum, I think Palat is the guy they need. He could slot into the top line and move Hertl down for now, and in the future would be a good winger for Hertl.

 

[bernmeister]

As I've said on Sharks forum, I think Palat is the guy they need. He could slot into the top line and move Hertl down for now, and in the future would be a good winger for Hertl.

price on Palat?

also, it is a given Nash would fit hand in glove with Thornton

 

[AZviaNJ]

Vrbata for a 2nd. Vrby is a low cost option who may fit in very well with SJ.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Vrbata for a 2nd. Vrby is a low cost option who may fit in very well with SJ.

SJ doesn't have a 2nd until 2019

 

[bernmeister]

Giving it to the end of the weekend before calling it, but it looks like Nash

 

[Juxtaposer]

price on Palat?

also, it is a given Nash would fit hand in glove with Thornton

It is absolutely nothing close to a given that Nash would be a perfect fit for Thornton. They haven't played together in over a decade.