GDT: 5pm Sharks @ Hawks 3/17/24 NBC sports Chicago (Happy Southside Irish parade you degenerates)

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

So let's play a hypothetical - let's say the scouts who have seen Demidov play rate him (on a scale of 1-10) to be an 8.5-9.0 player. The scouts who have seen Lindstrom play rate Lindstrom at 8.0-8.5 - so Demidov is slightly better. The scouts meet with KD and KD asks the question - how certain is it that Demidov comes over and what is the timeline we should expect. The Russian scout guesses he is 75%-80% sure he will play for the Hawks but it may not be for 3-4-5 years. KD then asks the N.A. scout about Lindstrom and is told he's a N.A. player so there it's 100% sure he will play for the Hawks and his guess is he needs one more year in the CHL - maybe a 2nd year but 2 years max before he's ready to play for the Hawks.

Who would you take - the 8.5-9.0 player with less than a 100% chance to play for the Hawks 3 or 4 or 5 years down the line - or - the 8.0-8.5 player who will 100% be with the Hawks in 2 years or less?

The better player, especially if it's top five and he's being punished for not signing a longer deal with his KHL team.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The 2004 draft has no correlation to the the 2024 draft other than players from Russia - and you know it. Whenever an argument is made using a false equivalency it shows you have a losing argument based on real facts.

The guy who literally built up his whole argument around a bunch of HYPOTHETICAL numbers that have zero reflection in real life numbers of top 5 players or other top talents that have never come to North America now wants to keep it to the facts, lol. The irony is rich.

Why does the 2004 draft has "no correlation"? Stop blustering. The only point there was if your scouts think a Russian is better than anyone else, it'd be dumb to pass him up because you're worried about some 20-25 % chance (that you pulled out of thin air). That's pretty obvious, the 2004 Draft is the most extreme example of how dumb that would play out in theory, but it remains true every draft and at every draft position. Specifically, as in the case below, you discuss top 5 picks, so why wouldn't a real life example involving top 5 picks be applicable?

As far as Kayumov - you support my argument that taking a Russian later in the draft if fine because at that point in the draft all the players are a bit of a long shot. Same as Kantserov last draft - a 2nd round pick I had to problem with taking there. But not a top-5 when there are other players available that don't come with the Russian factor risk.

 

[WarriorofTime]

And how would we know that, exactly? The Ukraine conflict is two years old. What Russian players have come over to play in NA since then?

A whole bunch have signed. Too many to keep track. The wild signed a prospect after his KHL season a few weeks ago.

 

[Pez68]

Mirosnichenko just turned 20 and he's on the Caps.

Is this the player that had cancer, got treated in Germany, and never really went back to Russia after being drafted?

 

[WarriorofTime]

Is this the player that had cancer, got treated in Germany, and never really went back to Russia after being drafted?

He returned to Russia for the 2022-23 season after the cancer went into remission, played a season there and signed an ELC with Washington on May 1, 2023.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Is this the player that had cancer, got treated in Germany, and never really went back to Russia after being drafted?

I don't know the specifics but the Wild also just signed Khus whatever and he's 21 and was playing in the KHL.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

The guy who literally built up his whole argument around a bunch of HYPOTHETICAL numbers that have zero reflection in real life numbers of top 5 players or other top talents that have never come to North America now wants to keep it to the facts, lol. The irony is rich.

Why does the 2004 draft has "no correlation"? Stop blustering. The only point there was if your scouts think a Russian is better than anyone else, it'd be dumb to pass him up because you're worried about some 20-25 % chance (that you pulled out of thin air). That's pretty obvious, the 2004 Draft is the most extreme example of how dumb that would play out in theory, but it remains true every draft and at every draft position. Specifically, as in the case below, you discuss top 5 picks, so why wouldn't a real life example involving top 5 picks be applicable?

Weak, as anticipated.

 

[TLEH]

I don’t fear Demidov not coming over. I fear drafting a player out of the MHL that high. Still like him though, if we took him I’d be cool with it. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him try and play AHL next year.

 

[kmwtrucks]

Demidov is represented Milstein and he stated the contract is one more year and he is looking forward to coming over to US.

 

[Hawkaholic]

And how would we know that, exactly? The Ukraine conflict is two years old. What Russian players have come over to play in NA since then?

Mirosnichenko just turned 20 and he's on the Caps.

A whole bunch have signed. Too many to keep track. The wild signed a prospect after his KHL season a few weeks ago.

Them, Yaroslav Askarov, Shakir Mukhamadulin, Yegor Chinakov.

Mind you, a few of these guys were drafted 3-4 years ago, but lets be honest, this team isn't doing anything for 3-4 years at least, and the Dmen drafted this year aren't going to be making any kind of
impact for 3-5 years, at least.