2023 Draft Thread (Lottery Drawing 05/08/23 8PM)

[BB88]

I wouldn't mind if people slept on Carlsson a bit more, as long as it isn't our FO doing the sleeping.

On tuesday your tune could be different

To see him play up to his potential to mean they’d pick him and put all the nonsense to rest

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Not if Ottawa and then another team wins the lottery.

i meant specifically anaheim's pick winning, not any scenario with anaheim picking first overall

anaheim winning the first draw locks cbj into the top three

 

[KJ Dangler]

I think Davidsons interview this week made it very clear that Michkov is not going to be a pick.

“This is a particular draft where, yes, there’s a dimensional player at the top, but there’s a lot of very, very good players, and a number of them are center icemen,” Davidson said. “I would venture to say now that when we go through the draft in late June, we’re going to have a center iceman join our team and that’s something that we really need.”

“A lot of people do talk about Bedard as a generational player, number one, but when you go through the next number of players, these are very exciting players and very good players,” Davidson said. “As I said, a number of them are center icemen, which we need badly.”


Also he discusses what they are looking for in the next coach , and emphasizes again they will bring in someone that can develop young talent

One-on-one with Columbus Blue Jackets President of Hockey Operations John Davidson

COLUMBUS, Ohio (WCMH) — The Columbus Blue Jackets are awaiting the NHL draft lottery, scheduled for Monday at 8 p.m. The Jackets finished second to last in the NHL for the 2022-23 season. Because o…

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[Monk]

I am not letting myself even read about Bedard or Fantilli at this point; I can do that if we win the lottery.

Great minds haha

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

(Sharks thread has the full post for those who can't read through the paywall.)

Finally I understand how it works (I don't quite know why I have an image of ping pong balls bouncing and then a team logo appearing on one of the balls and Bettman holding that ball, doesn't seem like that's at all close to the truth unless they fake it afterwards for show...).

 

[BB88]

One thing I’ll try to remind again (fooling no one)

If someone told you 12 months ago they had a shot at adding any one of Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson/Smith/Michkov you’d gone mad. Just an incredible add to the already top tier prospect pool.

Still being so close to the top you feel creedy

By the way, if someone starts dropping from the expected 7-10 range I’d seriously start calling with that La pick to try to move up

Give me the best talent you can get this draft over depth

 

[stevo61]

One thing I’ll try to remind again (fooling no one)

If someone told you 12 months ago they had a shot at adding any one of Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson/Smith/Michkov you’d gone mad. Just an incredible add to the already top tier prospect pool.

Still being so close to the top you feel creedy

By the way, if someone starts dropping from the expected 7-10 range I’d seriously start calling with that La pick to try to move up

Give me the best talent you can get this draft over depth

Creedy but we'll welcome any prospect with arms wide open?

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Bob's rankings are some of the best. Looks like the 4th position could be enough for Carlsson

 

[CBJx614]

(Sharks thread has the full post for those who can't read through the paywall.)

Finally I understand how it works (I don't quite know why I have an image of ping pong balls bouncing and then a team logo appearing on one of the balls and Bettman holding that ball, doesn't seem like that's at all close to the truth unless they fake it afterwards for show...).

And IIRC I think it was the Mcdavid draft, it came down to Edmonton, Toronto and Columbus for the final ball. I could be misremembering it exactly (or what draft) but I do remember we were one of the final teams eliminated.

 

[Xoggz22]

It could all end up improved for Smith, sure. We can't rule it out.

But you'd think from this post that every kid ends up fast, tireless, and strong if he just tries hard enough. There are obviously plenty of NHLers where it doesn't end up that way. Not everyone has the genetics for it.

Sure. That's what i was going for. I'll join the crowd where we should just assume regardless of effort they are set at 17

 

[Xoggz22]

Nowhere have I said that he’s a bad skater.

But for smaller players skating becomes more important.
Being a smaller player with average skating raises the risk factor by a lot. Especially if one is looking at the franchise C you can build around

Carlsson just feels like the ideal franchise C prospect to build around, for what you can ever wish at getting at #3

I don ’t hate Smith, I just see him as the riskiesr pick& the goal is this draft to be a franchise changing draft

Edit

& if they pick Smith I’d never root against him, I’d of course want to him to max out his ceiling and become an unbeliavable offensive player

I wasn't trying to imply you, specifically, in my post, just the consistent knock on how poor his skating is and I'm not seeing this in the other expert reports. That's all

 

[BB88]

I wasn't trying to imply you, specifically, in my post, just the consistent knock on how poor his skating is and I'm not seeing this in the other expert reports. That's all

It’s alright.

But I just don’t see the poor comments anywhere.
Rather it’s not up to the level you want it for a smaller player

 

[ProfessorFink22]

I tend to put stock in Bob's rankings, because 1) They carry real NHL weight, 2) They carry the opinions of those who are much smarter than myself, and and 3) They have at least somewhat of a sample size beyond one dude.

First off, let me say I actually like the others better than Smith myself, personally. I predict Carlsson and Michkov both end up having better NHL careers when we look back 15/20 years from now.

But, I think it's safe to assume Smith has 'played his way up' into that #3 ranking, which is great news. At least according to NHL level scouts, he has raised his game. It's not like any of the others in that tier played down and got passed; if anything I'm surprised there's not more positive attention/stock rising on Carlsson given his recent play.

Now we can kind of treat it like it's not a 2-4 tier, but it's a 2-5 tier we will likely draft in. This gives us insurance and means we can get a reasonably equally valued prospect in that tier without having to draft a riskier picks. And who knows, we could even see Carlsson at 4, like others have said.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Creedy but we'll open any prospect with arms wide open?

I’m willing to make that my sacrifice yes.

 

[KJ Dangler]

It’s alright.

But I just don’t see the poor comments anywhere.
Rather it’s not up to the level you want it for a smaller player

6ft 182 is small at 18 ? Chinakov grew 2 inches and put on like 18 lbs since we drafted him

 

[BB88]

6ft 182 is small at 18 ? Chinakov grew 2 inches and put on like 18 lbs since we drafted him

He is a smaller/weaker player today, everyone knows he has lot of work to do with getting stronger.

& eliteprospects has him 172

 

[stevo61]

He is a smaller/weaker player today, everyone knows he has lot of work to do with getting stronger.

& eliteprospects has him 172

USA hockey put him at 182 for the U18's which Im guessing is where he got that number

 

[majormajor]

6ft 182 is small at 18 ? Chinakov grew 2 inches and put on like 18 lbs since we drafted him

I wouldn't call Smith small, no.

The vast majority of young men don't grow a single inch from age 17 onward. Chinakhov, Josh Anderson, they're part of that less than 10% that kept growing.

Smith isn't small. I'd actually be more encouraged if he was like 6'0 160 because then we could imagine him easily getting a lot stronger as he adds muscle. 6'0 180 is perhaps already ideal in terms of weight and he will have to find other ways to get stronger and faster.

 

[squashmaple]

And IIRC I think it was the Mcdavid draft, it came down to Edmonton, Toronto and Columbus for the final ball. I could be misremembering it exactly (or what draft) but I do remember we were one of the final teams eliminated.

Nope, we weren’t in the McDavid lottery thanks to that win streak to end the season. We got the eighth pick and chose Werenski. You’re thinking of the Crosby draft.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Nope, we weren’t in the McDavid lottery thanks to that win streak to end the season. We got the eighth pick and chose Werenski. You’re thinking of the Crosby draft.

Nah he’s right. The jackets were one of few teams who had a chance at mcdavid when the last ball was drawn. We were in that lottery. I think that was the first year they started flirting with the anti tanking rules

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

(Sharks thread has the full post for those who can't read through the paywall.)

Finally I understand how it works (I don't quite know why I have an image of ping pong balls bouncing and then a team logo appearing on one of the balls and Bettman holding that ball, doesn't seem like that's at all close to the truth unless they fake it afterwards for show...).

How does the four-"digit" combination of numbers between 1 and 14 (which is not a digit, by the way) amount to 1 001 though? If you draw one ball at a time and don't put it back in, surely the number of possible combinations is 14 × 13 ×12 × 11 = 24 024?

Maybe the balls with numbers higher than 9 are worth two digits so that he is correct when describing it as a four-digit number? But then surely the same number can appear twice, such as 1489?

Either I misunderstand or Portzline does.

And, by the way, if they wanted exactly 1 000 combinations, why not just have ten balls numbered 0–9 and run it three times, putting the winning ball back in? Then you get a random number between 0 and 999...

 

[EspenK]

Scout's Analysis: Ranking the top 60 prospects for the 2023 NHL Draft

Another one guy's opinion list. The thing that is interesting is how detailed his analysis is. Concerning is how he rates Smith defensively. Yikes. I'm not sure you want that from a 1C.

 

[tunnelvision]

Scout's Analysis: Ranking the top 60 prospects for the 2023 NHL Draft

Another one guy's opinion list. The thing that is interesting is how detailed his analysis is. Concerning is how he rates Smith defensively. Yikes. I'm not sure you want that from a 1C.

Look at the skating part, he's as good as Fantilli and Moore, scoring 9/10 in all categories. Better than Bedard as well. Don't you think there's something suspicious about his analysis?

 

[tunnelvision]

So if we take what JD said about exiting the draft with a new center at face value, what could be the odds for these possible options in a scenario where Jackets pick 4th and Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson goes in top-3?

1. Draft Smith at 4
2. Draft Dvorsky at 4
3. Draft another C at 4
4. Trade down to pick one of the above or another C
5. Trade the pick for an established top-6 C or a high-end C prospect

 

[KJ Dangler]

This guys channel is quite good . He’s a former scout in whl for 5 years … Reminds me of Scouching….