Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[Juxtaposer]

Boyle is an all-time great Shark but there’s no way his peak is as good as Karlsson or Burns. Let’s not forget that Boyle played almost exclusively with prime Joe Thornton in second tier minutes from 2008-2011. Thornton was the most dominant possession player in the whole league during that period, anyone who played with him would end up looking great statistically.

However, I think the second half of 2016 + playoffs Vlasic is the single greatest stretch by any Sharks defenseman. Absolutely nothing went in the Sharks’ net when Vlasic was on the ice and he played the toughest minutes in the league.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I would not be surprised to see the Sharks experiment with 5 forwards on the PP.

They ought to based on personnel going into the season unless Gawanke makes the club.

The entire point of a rebuild is to end up with players like Pettersson. I would gladly buy his 25-33 year old seasons for $100M. Good luck to actual contenders, almost all of whom are already near next year’s cap ceiling, on matching that.

Unfortunately this just screams Detroit.

Sure but it's still a matter of timing it properly. Going out and getting Pettersson doesn't mean anything if we don't have the talent to support him enough to compete. We're still a long ways off on that and still tearing down the old team to a meaningful degree. The Sharks shouldn't be looking to add anyone of Pettersson's nature where we would have to spend significant future assets to acquire and then allocate significant cap space now and down the road until we've at least seen some meaningful progress on the rebuild.

 

[one2gamble]

If it comes down to money, 9 out of 10 times, we're going to be behind the 8 ball on it due to our current tax structure. We're one of the few locations that would be worse on that front than Vancouver is.

Doesnt a heavy bonus structured contract mitigate that to some extent. I read somewhere that bonuses are taxed at the players permanent address instead of the teams home.

Either way, the team is going to be flush with cash and can overpay somewhat for quality players. I do agree that they really shouldnt be sending assets out, at least not ones that would be required to land him prior to FA.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Doesnt a heavy bonus structured contract mitigate that to some extent. I read somewhere that bonuses are taxed at the players permanent address instead of the teams home.

Either way, the team is going to be flush with cash and can overpay somewhat for quality players. I do agree that they really shouldnt be sending assets out, at least not ones that would be required to land him prior to FA.

Something any other team can do as well. I think the team needs to wait a bit before committing to such contracts.

 

[Hodge]

They ought to based on personnel going into the season unless Gawanke makes the club.

Sure but it's still a matter of timing it properly. Going out and getting Pettersson doesn't mean anything if we don't have the talent to support him enough to compete. We're still a long ways off on that and still tearing down the old team to a meaningful degree. The Sharks shouldn't be looking to add anyone of Pettersson's nature where we would have to spend significant future assets to acquire and then allocate significant cap space now and down the road until we've at least seen some meaningful progress on the rebuild.

Maybe in an ideal world but when players like Pettersson become available you have to try and make it happen provided you have the cap space (check), assets (check) and he’s willing to sign here (who knows?). We’re talking about a top 10, arguably top 5, center in the league who still has at least 5 prime years remaining.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Maybe in an ideal world but when players like Pettersson become available you have to try and make it happen provided you have the cap space (check), assets (check) and he’s willing to sign here (who knows?). We’re talking about a top 10, arguably top 5, center in the league who still has at least 5 prime years remaining.

This depends on what you view as the assets that are expendable and legitimately doable for this sort of deal. I think the cost will be prohibitive for a team that is just starting the rebuild process.

 

[Alaskanice]

True that Boyle is not on par with Burns or Karlsson. He deserves better than to say he rode on Thornton’s tail. He was an undrafted, undersized guy who won a Cup. He came here and left his heart on the ice for the logo on the front. He spoke up when others wouldn’t and his expectations were fair. He played in all situations and wasn’t given much but did more with less.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

You could be Douglas Murray on Jumbo’s wing and Murrays breakin 50 pts…Easy..

 

[WTFetus]

You could be Douglas Murray on Jumbo’s wing and Murrays breakin 50 pts…Easy..

Are we forgetting the failed McGinn - Thornton - Mitchell line?
Though to be fair, I feel like Vesce could've maintained a good niche with Thornton had he stayed healthy.

 

[hockeyCEO]

Anyone know what's up with Arizona? They do not have a single defensemen signed after the 23-24 season.

Maybe Pettersson can play defense.

 

[STL Shark]

Eklund looking bigger and more grown up in this video.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Eklund looking bigger and more grown up in this video.

Its not gecko anymore…It’s Iguana….but he still moves like a gecko..

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

William Necklund

 

[stator]

Boyle is an all-time great Shark but there’s no way his peak is as good as Karlsson or Burns. Let’s not forget that Boyle played almost exclusively with prime Joe Thornton in second tier minutes from 2008-2011. Thornton was the most dominant possession player in the whole league during that period, anyone who played with him would end up looking great statistically.

However, I think the second half of 2016 + playoffs Vlasic is the single greatest stretch by any Sharks defenseman. Absolutely nothing went in the Sharks’ net when Vlasic was on the ice and he played the toughest minutes in the league.

Yeah but Boyle could actually play defense. Karlsson not so much.

Vlasic doesn't have an NHL shot. Maybe a AHL one which holds him back and why he was underrated. Fans like defensemen with offensive prowlness over the ability to play defense when the other team has the puck.

 

[Bizz]

Vlasic being the main defencemen/veteran in SJ, how realistic would it be that he hits 35-40 points this year? Is he really done as impact player for good, or is there some fuel left it the tank now that Burns and Karlsson are out?
I think he could find another gear, because of the pride and sake of his own value and be more involved. He is not going to make this team good, but I feel like he's going to see an opportunity to strike while there is no real competition at D-core.

Vlasic has been cooked for several years now. I'm surprised we haven't found a way to force him onto LTIR.

Also "Pride"? HA. The dude started coasting before the ink from his latest contract extension was dry. He's been a liability ever since then.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Did Team Canada overrate him? He was legitimately one of the top defensive defensemen in the league for many seasons.

Yes, maybe they did, or maybe he fits their team given the talent that they had.

My point is that Vlasic, as good as he was, was never a guy who could carry his pairing.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Yes, maybe they did, or maybe he fits their team given the talent that they had.

My point is that Vlasic, as good as he was, was never a guy who could carry his pairing.

There's a bit of revisionism regarding who did the lifting on the Vlasic-Braun pairing. Vlasic was always the better and smarter of the pair, but Braun was the guy who could take the hits and was otherwise just the right fit.

Just because Vlasic is terrible now doesn't negate the fact that at one point, you could make the argument that he was one of the most underrated shutdown D of the cap era.

 

[Hobocop]

 

[Gecklund]

That’s surprising. Am I missing something? He could have gotten 1C time in the AHL.

 

[Cas]

That’s surprising. Am I missing something? He could have gotten 1C time in the AHL.

He'll probably get 1C time next year and hopefully fight his way up by Feb-Mar 2025. I think the Sharks want Bordeleau and maybe Robins to have the 1C role with the Barracuda this year.

 

[Hodge]

That’s surprising. Am I missing something? He could have gotten 1C time in the AHL.

SHL is a much better league

 

[Gecklund]

SHL is a much better league

That’s debatable.

 

[GRANdSharks]

That’s surprising. Am I missing something? He could have gotten 1C time in the AHL.

No need to rush him, had took a big leap last year so a bigger role in a good league is only gonna help his development

 

[one2gamble]

I dunno if like that move

 

[Gecklund]

No need to rush him, had took a big leap last year so a bigger role in a good league is only gonna help his development

Yeah I mean I don’t know. I was kind of looking forward to him being around the big club (kind of). Bystedt learning from Hertl sounds like a great plan.