CHRDANHUTCH
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and Ryan Reaves is 40 goal scorer year in and year out..... why is he changing teams YEAR IN AND year out answer the questionThorton was a good fourth liner and I just mentioned two. Read.
and Ryan Reaves is 40 goal scorer year in and year out..... why is he changing teams YEAR IN AND year out answer the questionThorton was a good fourth liner and I just mentioned two. Read.
He changes about every 2.5 years which is not that far below average. Distort much?and Ryan Reaves is 40 goal scorer year in and year out..... why is he changing teams YEAR IN AND year out answer the question
you're the one who brought him up, dude.... the point is the enforcer mentality is GONE...... just like the NHL Wanted it to, even though teams still market the enforcer mentalityHe changes about every 2.5 years which is not that far below average. Distort much?
The point is DUDE. The enforcer mentality is not gone and will not be until fighting is banned in junior and above. That day may come, but is by no means here. The NHL actually likes intimidating dirty teams like the Caps because they put fannies in the seats.you're the one who brought him up, dude.... the point is the enforcer mentality is GONE...... just like the NHL Wanted it to, even though teams still market the enforcer mentality
I don't know, hits may be subjective but penalties are not. If you look at a players matching penalties that were roughs and fights and figure out a way to quantify those into other stats for for your WAR number i think it would increase the value of Jeannots, Middletons, etc over the numbers that are now being looked at.There may be a few other team, who knows. Would hope the Bruins kick the tires on him though as our RD depth is lacking. As for Lucic, maybe he did, I didn't watch every CGY game and they don't track "no thanks" as an NHL stat
So then since there is no real way to quantify "tough" the enitre topic is subjective.
Not certain how physical the Stars were under Montgomery. FWIW, he's stated that he likes to ice a physical team. So, that's encouraging.It's just tough to tell watching Cassidy's Bruins. Watch a Nashville-Minnesota game or Florida and Tampa, it's a different game.
Hopefully with Cassidy gone the Bruins will implement a more physical style, adding AJ Greer and letting Frederic play (even if he takes a bad penalty) is a good start.
yes it is:The point is DUDE. The enforcer mentality is not gone and will not be until fighting is banned in junior and above. That day may come, but is by no means here. The NHL actually likes intimidating dirty teams like the Caps because they put fannies in the seats.
Some of his "antics" penalties absolutely need to stop but it has to be tough to be told to be physical but don't ever retaliate or miss a defensive assignment and if you do you are benched and then scratched for a few games. Cassidy getting canned should help Frederic immensely.Not certain how physical the Stars were under Montgomery. FWIW, he's stated that he likes to ice a physical team. So, that's encouraging.
Reading a bit about AJ Greer, my impression is that he's an offensive player, not a bruiser. Am I wrong?
Finally, Frederic better knock it off with those stupid, often selfish penalties. That stuff is not going to cut it going forward. He's been in the league for a few years now.
I like Trent, and believe JM will be very good for his confidence. The second guessing under Cassidy will not be an issue. If Sweeney meddled last season, I hope that stops, too.
Remember, he's a natural center. That's a cerebral position, so I don't think Frederic is stupid.
We'll see how good he can be.
you're the one who brought him up, dude.... the point is the enforcer mentality is GONE...... just like the NHL Wanted it to, even though teams still market the enforcer mentality
That is something that is plainly false and frankly foolish. You might want to delete it.yes it is:
it's already occurred..... name the last NHL Game that had 4 fights in 4 seconds and that continued every minute all the way through..... fact is doesn't the NHL warn teams once one melee breaks out
Washington isn't intimidating and is skilled/finesse more so than Boston has ever been
I don't know, hits may be subjective but penalties are not. If you look at a players matching penalties that were roughs and fights and figure out a way to quantify those into other stats for for your WAR number i think it would increase the value of Jeannots, Middletons, etc over the numbers that are now being looked at.
There has to be some way to have analytics measure a players physical play as a positive. My issue with analytics is how possession based it is and discounts other parts of the game. Hockey isn't soccer or baseball where numbers do tell more of a story. As you say they don't track "no thanks" but that is part of intimidation which is still a part of the game.
Washington isn't intimidating..... then how come they're successful in the physical style but skilled/finesse as well..... this isn't the Big Bad Bruin/Broad Street Bullies era, and Philadelphia markets the same way Boston does and what exactly have they done.....remember Providence and Portland grew up in that mentality too, especially 1977-79, when Portland was known as the Spring Street Bullies, see the correlationThat is something that is plainly false and frankly foolish. You might want to delete it.
You either misread my post and put a not in there or you cannot see that the Caps are both vicious and skilled.Washington isn't intimidating..... then how come they're successful in the physical style but skilled/finesse as well..... this isn't the Big Bad Bruin/Broad Street Bullies era, and Philadelphia markets the same way Boston does and what exactly have they done.....remember Providence and Portland grew up in that mentality too, especially 1977-79, when Portland was known as the Spring Street Bullies, see the correlation
Some of his "antics" penalties absolutely need to stop but it has to be tough to be told to be physical but don't ever retaliate or miss a defensive assignment and if you do you are benched and then scratched for a few games. Cassidy getting canned should help Frederic immensely.
They're also old, tee-hee.You either misread my post and put a not in there or you cannot see that the Caps are both vicious and skilled.
and you bring up that Boston markets that way.... but what I'm saying is that era is gonzo..... no teams are that way you're telling me that Hershey and South Carolina share that mentality that Washington plays not exactly accurateYou either misread my post and put a not in there or you cannot see that the Caps are both vicious and skilled.
This is a valid point. I was just trying to think of a way for analytics to quantify toughness/physical hockeySo we're going to quantify toughness based on a refs opinion on what a roughing penalty is? The same refs we complain about being wildly inconsistent night in and night out?
yes it is:
it's already occurred..... name the last NHL Game that had 4 fights in 4 seconds and that continued every minute all the way through..... fact is doesn't the NHL warn teams once one melee breaks out
Washington isn't intimidating and is skilled/finesse more so than Boston has ever been
This is a valid point. I was just trying to think of a way for analytics to quantify toughness/physical hockey
This is a valid point. I was just trying to think of a way for analytics to quantify toughness/physical hockey
I've thought about it myself and even have DM'd Dom to get his feedback about a way to measure toughness/tough to play against. Unfortunately it seems like it'll always be something that is subjective.
I look at them as a measure of last resort but if the Bruins are looking at a player i know nothing about I find Jfresh easy to follow player samples helpful.I know many here love them, but as an old gasbag, I hate analytics.
I don't completely write them off. I trust analytic departments for professional teams.I know many here love them, but as an old gasbag, I hate analytics.